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Question to all on Christ about free will...
Posted : 6 Aug, 2012 09:54 AM

I have been reading a few topics in the forum regarding the debates and am wondering where you stand.



Do you believe that God is sovereign that He does all things and you just do it whether you know it or not, or do you have a choice in the matter?



I'm just looking to see what your thoughts on the matter is.



Thanks for your responses in advance.

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Question to all on Christ about free will...
Posted : 6 Aug, 2012 04:26 PM

Do you believe that God is sovereign that He does all things and you just do it whether you know it or not, or do you have a choice in the matter?





I have a free will, since God is sovereign He knows what I will do before I even do this, my choice is my free will, God's sovereignty makes my choice forgiven even if it appears not to be His will because it is still getting His will done anyway.



He used the Pharoah's edict for Isralites to kill the babies to have Moses raised in the house of Pharoah.

He used the Pharoah to get the Israelites out of Egypt.

After ten plagues no less.

He used the Pharisees to get Christ crucified...



The bible confirms over and over again God's sovereignty, it is man who refutes His truth.

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Question to all on Christ about free will...
Posted : 6 Aug, 2012 09:15 PM

Salvation is 100% free and eternal rewards are 100% earned!!



GOD HAS PROMISED IN JEREMIAH 29:13: YOU WILL FIND ME WHEN YOU SEEK ME WITH **ALL YOUR HEART**.�



John 14:23: Jesus says, �If anyone loves Me, he will obey My teaching, My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make our home with him."



Matthew 28:19,20: Jesus commands, �Go and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to *OBEY EVERYTHING I have commanded you!�



I John 2:3-5: �We know that we have come to know Him **IF** we obey His commands. The man who says, �I know Him,� but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the Truth is not him. But if anyone **OBEYS HIS WORD**, God's **LOVE** is truly made complete in Him!!�



So let us read God's Word daily {Acts 17:11} and then *DO WHAT IT SAYS*! {James 1:22,25}



Acts 17:11: �The Bereans were of noble character, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures *EVERY DAY*!�



James 1:22,25: �Do not merely listen to the Word. *DO WHAT IT SAYS*!... and he who continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but *DOING IT*�will be blessed in what he does.



2 Peter 1:3-11: �His Divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and goodness. Through these He has given us His very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires. For this reason, make every effort to add to your faith {a 100% Free Gift}; goodness, and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness, LOVE. For if you possess these qualities in INCREASING MEASURE, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins. Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a **RICH WELCOME** into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!!�



Matthew 16:27; Jesus says, �The Son of Man is going to come in **HIS FATHER'S GLORY WITH HIS ANGELS** {See Matt 24:30,31 & 2 Thess 1:6-10}, and *THEN* He will reward each person according to what he has done.�



Revelation 22:12: Jesus says, �Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done!� {When Jesus comes in His Father's glory with His angels}



2 Corinthians 5:10: For we must all appear before the Judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, {When Jesus comes in His Father's glory with His angels} whether good or bad.�



Ephesians 2:8-10: It is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is NOT from yourselves, it is the GIFT of God--not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. So Salvation is the ***FREE GIFT*** of God's grace and good works can only be performed by the saved.



Salvation is a 100% Free Gift and REWARDS are 100 % earned.



Matthew 5:14,16: Jesus says, �You are the LIGHT of the world...Let your LIGHT shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.



I Corinthians 3:6-9: Paul says, �The Lord has assigned to each his task. I planted the seed. Apollos watered it, but God made it grow... The man who plants and the man who waters have one purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor. For we are God's fellow workers!�



Daniel 12:3: �Those who impart wisdom will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever!!�



So let our lights *SHINE* with the many gifts God has given us and we can have a REVIVAL with the hope of countless eternal rewards for faithful and loving service.



I Corinthians 1:7: For �You do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be *REVEALED*!�:applause::angel::peace:

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Question to all on Christ about free will...
Posted : 7 Aug, 2012 07:58 AM

that is quite a collection of verses that are commonly used to manipulate recent converts into church works.

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Question to all on Christ about free will...
Posted : 7 Aug, 2012 08:38 AM

The doer of the word is one that is mixing faith with the word of God preached and it always pleases the father.



Those trying to justify the unbelief concerning man's freedom and responsibility to choose are example's of works.

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Question to all on Christ about free will...
Posted : 7 Aug, 2012 08:50 AM

so what you are saying is that there are things you can do that would please the Father more than the FINIshed work of Jesus the Christ?



I'm glad my Father finds me fully pleasing and has seperated me from my sin as far as the East is from the West!So to HIM be the Glory!Anything I do of my own v olition is as filthy rags!When my Father looks at me He sees His Son!Tell me how to perfect what is already perfected?

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Question to all on Christ about free will...
Posted : 7 Aug, 2012 09:16 AM

so what you are saying is that there are things you can do that would please the Father more than the FINIshed work of Jesus the Christ?







I'm glad my Father finds me fully pleasing and has seperated me from my sin as far as the East is from the West!So to HIM be the Glory!Anything I do of my own v olition is as filthy rags!When my Father looks at me He sees His Son!Tell me how to perfect what is already perfected?



Your response is very clear Mike you have no light of the word of God and you openly willingly rejected the truth posted.



Your will at work, not in agreement with what you even posted.



No man can choose his way as to be acceptable it is the father's his way is faith that works by love.



Everything else is works.



It is not hard if you allow him to be lord of your life, you see it again it is your will surrendered to his will that pleases him.

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Question to all on Christ about free will...
Posted : 7 Aug, 2012 09:32 AM

1 Corinthians 2:13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.



Your humanistic wisdom is foolishness!

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Question to all on Christ about free will...
Posted : 7 Aug, 2012 10:15 AM

pj you'll also not find once were I have denied scripture! You will find a statement about the coillection of scripture werein those key verses are quite often used to manipulate many a man,But what I do deny is nearly everything you've personally said which is rarely backed with any scripture referance and is more your personal opinion,which you have every right to!Just understand I fallow NO man!

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Question to all on Christ about free will...
Posted : 7 Aug, 2012 12:19 PM

1 Corinthians 2:13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.



Your humanistic wisdom is foolishness!



Correction your accusation is foolishness, foolishness is affilitaed with those that reject the word of God.



You did not post the part of that scripture you walk in the wisdom of this world.



pj you'll also not find once were I have denied scripture! You will find a statement about the coillection of scripture werein those key verses are quite often used to manipulate many a man,But what I do deny is nearly everything you've personally said which is rarely backed with any scripture referance and is more your personal opinion,which you have every right to!Just understand I fallow NO man!



Correction every time you have denied scripture as if one can not see the pattern of twisting scripture to justify one's position.



It is the same principle that started in the Garden.



Teach us the principles of faith for without it you will not see or know God.

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Posted : 8 Aug, 2012 11:13 AM

JESUS COMMANDS, �LOVE ONE ANOTHER JUST AS I HAVE LOVED YOU!�



Jesus commanded his disciples many times to obey the OT command �To **LOVE** your neighbor as yourself� and on the day before his atonement Jesus added a NEW command �To **LOVE** one another as I have **LOVED** you� and this was just one day before he laid down His life for His friends.



John 13:34: Jesus says, �A **NEW** command I give you: **LOVE** one another as I have **LOVED** you so you MUST **LOVE** one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples!!�



John 15:9-14: �As the Father has loved Me, so I have loved you. Now remain in My **LOVE**. **IF** you obey My commands, you will remain in My **LOVE**,,, My command is this:**LOVE** each other **AS I HAVE LOVED YOU**!!. Greater **LOVE** has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends **IF** you do what I command!�



Ephesians 3:16-19: �I pray that out of His glorious riches He may strengthen you with power through His Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in **LOVE**, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the **LOVE** of Christ, and to know this **LOVE** that surpasses knowledge�that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God!!�



I Peter 1:22,23: "Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the Truth so that you have sincere **LOVE** for your brothers, **LOVE** one another deeply, from the heart. For you have been born again through the living and enduring Word of God.�



God's Word further explains what this new **LOVE** is like in I Corinthians 13:2,4-8: If I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not **LOVE** I am nothing...**LOVE** is patient, **LOVE** is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. **LOVE** does not delight in evil but rejoices with the Truth. It always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. **LOVE** never fails!!"



John 14:23: Jesus says, �If anyone **LOVES** Me, he will obey My teaching, My Father will **LOVE** him, and We will make Our home with him.� He who does not **LOVE** Me will not obey My teaching.�



I John 2:3-5: �We know that we have come to know Him {Jesus} **IF** we obey His commands. The man who says, �I know Him,� but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the Truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys His Word, God's **LOVE** is truly made complete in him!!�





Matthew 28:19.20� Jesus commands, �Go and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to *OBEY EVERYTHING* I have commanded you!� {See I John 2:3-5}



EVERYTHING would also include all the other commands in God's inspired Word from Acts to Revelation as per 2 Timothy 3:16: 4:2: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work...Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.�



Ephesians 4:15,16: �Speaking the Truth **IN LOVE**, we will in all things grow up into Him who is the Head, that is, Christ! From Him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up ***IN LOVE***, as each part does its work!�



If we really **LOVE** our brothers and sisters in Christ we will lovingly teach them to obey all the approximately 400 commands of the NT with **LOVE** in the hope of countless eternal rewards when Jesus comes with great power with all His angels.



Revelation 22:12: Jesus says,"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done!?�



Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, For the Son of Man is going to come in His **FATHER'S GLORY WITH HIS ANGELS**{See Matt 24:30,31; 25:31-40 & 2 Thess 1:6-10}, and **THEN** He will reward each person according to what he has done."



Daniel 12:3: "Those who impart wisdom will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever!"



Jesus says in Rev 2:17; 3:4, 5, 21: �To him who overcomes...I will give a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.....He will walk with Me for he is worthy... I will acknowledge his name before My Father and His angels.... I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem.....I will write on him my New Name... and I will give him the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.� :applause::angel:

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