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You do not need a devotional! Stop buying devotionals, they are an insult to the Torah and Elohim!
Posted : 3 Sep, 2012 09:32 PM
Little children,
There are some on here and in the world today, that are encouraging the sheep to buy and use devotionals, and/or to read the messages written in them.
It is sacrilegious and blasphemy for one to infer or state that a book with regurgitated messages, can replace the fresh revelation of the Torah [Old Testament] and B'rit Hadasha [New Testament].
[In fact, quit buying all books that seek to provide religious instruction and counsel.]
Get rid of all devotionals and there will not be any need to turn from the Torah and B'rit Hadasha, to man:
"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD." [Yirmiyahu/Jeremiah 17:5]
The Word of Elohim is always to be sought and read, as the sole Authority for faith and counsel, and it is an insult for one to think that Abba would not give you, individually, fresh anointed revelation, is you ask Him:
"If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" [Lukos/Luke 11:11-13]
It is a false gospel, which empowers man and seeks to strip away the importance of Elohim speaking directly to His sheep. In fact, you will not hear from another, nor can you:
"My sheep hear my voice".. "and the voice of a stranger they will not follow". [John 10:27 & John 10:5]
Revelation 18 tells us that the time is coming when men shall not buy the Harlot's merchandise anymore.
It is fornication, to take the Word and use it for gain. Is this not the same thing that Simon the sorcerer did, when he offered Peter gold for the gifts of the Holy Spirit?l:
"And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money." [Ma'asey/Acts 8:18-21]
Do not buy devotionals or any book, other than the Bible, for that is an insult to the Father, Who has given you everything in His Wondrous Book of the Ages, the Compendium of Eternal Wisdom, the Holy Bible!
You do not need to buy some hypocrites "devotional"; ask Abba to teach you and show you everything you need to know about life.
He will do it!
He will talk with you and teach you all things:
"It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." [Yohanan/John 6:45]
You are not to use a devotional!:
"THIS BOOK OF THE LAW SHALL NOT DEPART OUT OF THY MOUTH, BUT THOU SHALT MEDITATE THEREIN DAY AND NIGHT!" [Joshua 1:8]
If you are meditating on the Torah DAY and NIGHT, do you have any time for another book of regurgitated messages?
Do not get me wrong, the Word of Elohim is important where ever it is written, or spoken. But this notion of books taking the place of the Word of Elohim, is wicked!
"MEDITATE ON THESE THINGS GIVE THYSELF WHOLLY TO THEM THAT THY PROFITING MAY APPEAR UNTO ALL!" [I Timotios/Timothy 4:15]
You do not need a devotional! Stop buying devotionals, they are an insult to the Torah and Elohim!
Posted : 4 Sep, 2012 09:34 PM
Zaohagios writes:
"natzarim is Titus chapter 2 in your Bible?"
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Titos 2, yes, in all Bibles.
Are you one of the "NatZaRim"?
Do you comprehend the eternal call of the bachiyr and eklektos, the yahadim?
Were you separated from your mother's womb, and called at a young age, as was Shmuel, Dawd, Moshe, or late as was Shaul [Paul]? Do you comprehend beyond Christian doctrines? Do you comprehend the eternal wisdom of TWO?
"These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority."
Notice, the word "AUTHORITY".
Do you comprehend what that means?
It means that you, individually, were called of the Father to serve Him all of your days, and have had dreams and prophetic visions, and were enabled by His Grace to comprehend spiritual mysteries, and that the gospel is not just a thing you happened upon lately, but that it is entertwined with your soul, your whole dna and being.
There is nothing written in Titus 2, young man, that states that the hypocrite is to take the word and make money off of it! These directives are directed at called men of Elohim, who comprehend the power and efficacy of the Word/Torah, and have each a unique calling wherein they each serve the Father.
"Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;"
WORLDLY LUSTS.....IN THIS PRESENT WORLD, or AGE.
This is Satan's Age, II Qorinti'im 4:4, and the system of economics and the converting of everything into capital, belongs to him... for a season. That is why it is stated in John's Revelation that this system wherein men abuse the Torah for cheese, will come to an end. Go read it... it is in chapter 18.
You only comprehend the doctrines that you have been exposed to, young man. There is so much more to life and doctrine, than what you think..
Men of Elohim respect the word, they do not defend the abuse and mistreatment of it.
Now, a couple of questions for you!
Do you comprehend Paul's statement of Titus 1:1, that he is "an apostle according to the faith of Elohim's elect"..?
Election is the most sacred doctrine to the Yahadim. It links us to YaHUaH (YHUH) eternally.
Do you comprehend why the Yahadim, are the Yahadim?
Do you comprehend why Christianity and Judaism, neither qualify to be of the seed of Abraham?
You do not need a devotional! Stop buying devotionals, they are an insult to the Torah and Elohim!
Posted : 5 Sep, 2012 02:22 AM
A devotional is more of a workbook that gives you suggestions of passages to read. The author then states what he sees in the scripture. Now since you can see what scripture he is getting it from its easy for you to check if he is telling the truth or not. The key to a devotional is you reading the scripture not you reading the author.
Have you ever gotten together with a group of people and read a passage and discus it with them? How is that different from a devotional?
You do not need a devotional! Stop buying devotionals, they are an insult to the Torah and Elohim!
Posted : 5 Sep, 2012 04:58 AM
Nutzoram....since you are here to speak out against Christianity as you have stated.Why not just do us a favor and exit stage right instead of harrassing Christins?
You do not need a devotional! Stop buying devotionals, they are an insult to the Torah and Elohim!
Posted : 7 Sep, 2012 05:16 AM
Zaohagios writes:
"A devotional is more of a workbook that gives you suggestions of passages to read. The author then states what he sees in the scripture. Now since you can see what scripture he is getting it from its easy for you to check if he is telling the truth or not. The key to a devotional is you reading the scripture not you reading the author.
Have you ever gotten together with a group of people and read a passage and discus it with them? How is that different from a devotional?
THIS DESERVES A SECTIONAL EXAMINATION FOR TRUTH AND FICTION
1) "A devotional is more of a workbook that gives you suggestions of passages to read."
I will agree with this statement, but only for one reason. It is not 'the devotional' that will do you any good, or that fact that it 'provides you with suggestions of passages to read', but the pure Word of Elohim and any essense of thought that HE MAY DESIRE FOR YOU TO BE IMPACTED BY. This is why Paul writes, "I am not ashamed of the gospel for IT is the power of Elohim to salvation". The POWER OF ELOHIM TO SAVE is not found in man, in ideas, or books, but in all knowledge of life. It amazes me when I hear someone state, "BUT I AM NOT LEARNING ANYTHING!" First of all, the very fact that they can speak using a vocabulary, words, and think while doing it, proves that they do not comprehend what it means to "grow in the knowledge and grace of Elohim". It [The Word] states, "AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF G-D, THEREFORE EVERYONE THAT HATH HEARD AND LEARNED OF THE FATHER COMETH UNTO ME" [John 6:44] It also states, "BUT THE ANOINTING WHICH YE HAVE RECEIVED OF ME ABIDETH IN YOU AND YOU NEED NOT THAT ANY MAN TEACH YOU: BUT AS THE SAME ANOINTING TEACHETH YOU OF ALL THINGS, AND IS TRUTH, AND IS NO LIE, AND EVEN AS IT HATH TAUGHT YOU, YE SHALL ABIDE IN HIM." [I Yohanan/John 2:27] It is not that worthless devotional that provides the knowledge of comprehension, but "THE WORD" that is in it, and the anointing of the Holy Spirit that was placed into you the moment you were born. You, whether you can accept this right now, were born of a similar "Immaculate Conception" as that of the Messiah. It is the very fact, that Elohim is controlling all things which has brought you into this world, He just used your Daddy and Momma to assist Him. He planned your birth before He hung the stars, and nothing shall ever prevail in your life, or affect it in any way, of which He is not the Originator of it all. Satan, the fool, is just a tool, as are all men. It is all backwards, "THE STRENGTH OF MEN" is really weakness, for Abba YaHUaH (YHUH) has turned everything backwards. This "STRENGTH" that man thinks is 'so great', will be shown in the end, to be their very destruction, while the humility of the weak, the one who is humbled into the dust, His actions in being humbled into the knowledge that "I AM DUST", demonstrates that He recognizes within his/her soul that "IT IS ELOHIM - WHO IS GREAT" - 'I am a worm."
"FOR MY THOUGHTS ARE NOT YOUR THOUGHTS, NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS MY WAYS, SAITH HA-YHUH [The Lord]." [Yeshayahu/Isaiah 55:8]
It is really all backwards, which is why you see these scriptures:
"So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen." [Mattityahu/Matthew 16:20]
"For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord." [I Qorinti'im/Corinthians 1: 26-31]
Abba has been working all of your life to bring you to this conversation [chat] so that you would begin to comprehend that He has been carrying you, feeding you, bathing you, although He wa using other means of accomplishing this; and His promise to you, is that as He has done, so He will do unto the end of your days:
"For we know that ALL THINGS WORK TOGETHER FOR GOOD to them that love G-d, to them that are the called according to His purpose". [Romi'im/Romans 8:28]
Do not call Him a liar, by stating that there are "bad" things in your life! There are none! You just do not know how to see what He is doing in all things, for He is so great and we are but His creatures.
What? Do you want to think erroneously of Him Who Hung the Moon and Stars, and created all galaxies with knowledge, so that each star has a coordinance linking it to another, and then established this knowledge in the plant life, and even in the curve of the top of your ear, which by the way is the same exact shape that is in the Milky Way Galaxy light years away from your eyes?
Look at how He has Isaiah [Yeshayahu] write of how He has carried you, all of us, and bore with us, more so than our mothers, our (earthly) fathers. He has had angels guarding you and keeping you, although you were not aware of this, even from the foundation of the world:
"Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb: And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you."
"To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?" [Yeshayahu/Isaiah 46:3-4]
Will you seek to take this glory which belongs to Him - ALONE - and present it to a man? Will you give it to a book?
The One men think is nothing [Jesus (to the Eklektos) Yahusha (to the bachiyr)] is the One the kings of earth bow before.
"Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee." [Yeshayahu/Isaiah 49:7]
"AND HE SHALL CHOOSE THEE"..?
This was fulfilled when the watchmen [natzari] who were of the city of Natzrat, who were anointed [the bachiyr] saw in this wondrous man, the fact that His having come from Natzrat, did the miracles that were done of His hand, and ultimately was the REASON for the B'rit Hadasha [New Testament] being written, proves that He was and is THE SON OF ELOHIM!
It is not about "Judaism", which was and is but a pimping mechanism that disgust Abba YaHUaH (YHUH), of the sons of men, designed to fulfill His eternal plan. It is not about "Christianity" or "Calvinism", which as well, are but socioeconomic religio-philosophical systems of governance, designed to rule man, and keep him in control, as Elohim works in and through it all:
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." [Galatea/Galatians 3:28]
"The author then states what he sees in the scripture."
"Now since you can see what scripture he is getting it from its easy for you to check if he is telling the truth or not."..?
There is truth in this, for this is the power and purpose of the Torah and B'rit Hadasha. So, yes, you can "see" [which means to comprehend spiritually] that he is using the scripture, but is he using it accurately? These men of which I am referring to, which has drawn the ire of many, are Babylonian priests who are using this knowledge to draw you and push you in the direction [although they do not comprehend this] of Elohim. They are part of the system, they are here to serve Satan, and to cause his economy to function, which is why they have you give a tithe, when it is no tithe [another post]. You have no gold or silver coin in your pockets do you? This is what the Founding Fathers of this land said "money" is to be. But the spawn of darkness tricked you and got you to believe that their 'paper notes' is money, when each piece of paper is an "Interest Bearing Certificate", an instrument of financial slavery. Sorry but you are not as Abraham, until and unless you are enabled to comprehend this.
This "Rev. K" is a priest of neo-Babylonia [for you Jude]. He is suppose to sell you a book, to cause numbers to flow from your life, in the form of interest, to the neo-Babylonian priesthood up in Washington, DC, and in all of its satellite agencies and agenturs. [See Article I, Section 8 and 10 of the document called 'the Constitution', in particularly the sections about how "NO STATE SHALL MAKE ANYTHING BUT SILVER AND GOLD COIN MONEY", and AND NOTHING BUT THESE METAL COINS "LEGAL TENDER"].
You and the American people have been handed notes of financial slavery, not money. Sorry, but a real man of Elohim would not cause you to buy his book, or devotional, or whatever you want to call it, and merely have you run the numbers for the Luciferian system. This is why Abraham and the Children of [SPIRITUAL] Y'isra'el left Egypt/Mizaim. Oh, I know that we have to use them, but you do not have to use them foolishly. Use them for good and wisdom, not to keep the system going - See Revelation 18, of how the "system" is going to come to an end, and is now in the process worldwide. They have to go to a One World Government, and give Satan his completed kingdom.
Which brings us to the Statuary [the Statue of Liberty, etc, and even the Mausoleums of Washington DC. Have you noticed similiarities between these images and the images of past systems of governance? These are foolish, and are used to draw numbers through your ignorance in "providing for their upkeep", as your seed goes hungry. [Again, for you Jude]
This is how the "economy" works. There is no such thing as money, it is all an illusion. You get up in the morning and go to work, unaware that there are men who are tracking your movements, and following you, to see that you pay up your dues to the system. They get to live off of you, and use you to provide for their "pensions". This system originated with old king Sargon of Assyria in
700BC.
These men of darkness and cunning get you to think that using numbers to shape metal and stones into Bull-headed creatures, and that they have a 'significance', well ask one of your elected officials, "What is the purpose of building the monuments of Washington DC and all of these cities, with their memorials and similar junk. He cannot tell you the truth, that they are "idols of deception", for it would awaken the people to "the Game", of how numbers have worked for men of darkness for thousands of years. They use the knowledge of the creation, and get men to make statues and monuments to themselves, and then want your children to take care of their cities, and waste your life being a junk slave.
Real men and women of Elohim left these cities, they did not run to them and their "economic games".
One builds a weapon, another hands it to your cousin, who is sent to fight another ignorant man, who has been done likewise in another land, These men are pit against one another, and die, to create the mechanisms of finance and government. When your neighbor or brother returns to receive "a hero's burial", a little squad of men working as "soldiers" and "honor guards", get dressed up in their costumes and with a few musical instruments, create a visual performace of deception. This is why the scripture refers to these men as "hypocrites", for they are actors, pretending to be fictional whatevers, in a fictional game. Your mother may have been presented with a flag, while one of them knelt before her, telling her something to the effect of, "He gave his life in service to his country, and your nation is grateful". When he gets up, his stomach turning for the grief [he doesn't even comprehend the depth of what he is involved in], and she goes home clutching a flag made by one corporation, and transported to another corporation, so that the merchants of death can use it to cover a coffin that was purchased by debt that you owe and are going to keep owing, until Elohim puts an end to it.
The same thing occurs with all of the so-called religious books, with the exceptions of the Torah, the Tanakh, and the Holy Bible. These are the KEYS to comprehending the whole thing.
Men do not talk to you of Elohim, YOUR WHOLE LIFE IS HIM TALKING TO YOU!
THE WHOLE OF THE CREATION, IS HIM TALKING TO YOU AND TO ALL MEN..
To understand it, you have to pick up the sctriptures, that are anointed for you. They will talk to you, because it will be the anointing of the Holy Spirit that causes you to comprehend, not man or men, or a discussion, although He may and does use these things.
The Scripture is not something to play with. It is sacred and anointed, and it is for only those who are sanctified, set apart from this which I just explained to you, is profane and wicked.
No one can tell you what the scriptures mean. To each man, they mean something different. You and ten men and women may be sitting in a room discussing the Word, but it will never make sense to you, until and unless the Holy Spirit wants it to. Just because you all get together and want to know what it means, does not mean a thing. It is its intended and designed purpose to effect each man, as it was purposed to do, when it was purposed to do it!:
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." [Yeshayahu/Isaiah 55:8-11]
There are two truths in the world: Perceived truth, which you are led to believe is truth, and there is "TRUTH", which the Father will show you, and only He can show you.
I do not ask many questions of people, for they can tell me anything. I simply permit the Holy Spirit to have them tell me what He wants me to know.
If I were to ask a question, it would be in inferance that I have the mind of G-d, and that I know how to handle all things in life. I am simply to make His Word my counsel in all matters, and as He filters the knowledge that comes into my life, every second, He shows me with and through His precious Word, REAL TRUTH!
Throw the devotionals into the garbage, as well as the thought that you can avail to yourself real truth, and pick up the Bible and start reading from both ends. Ask Him, "If it please You, will you speak unto me?"
See what happens!
May it please the Father to bless you exceedingly!
You do not need a devotional! Stop buying devotionals, they are an insult to the Torah and Elohim!
Posted : 7 Sep, 2012 11:03 AM
" I simply permit the Holy Spirit"
" I PERMIT " ??
This man "PERMITS" the Holy Spirit? Does the Holy Spirit need this man's permission to do anything??
"I am GOD, and I WILL PERMIT AS I PLEASE! ELOHIM TRULY HAS NO CONTROL OVER ME, FOR IT IS I WHO SHALL PERMIT HIM TO DO AS I SEE FIT!"
This is as absurd as it gets! Who does this man think that he is??
"I PERMIT! G-D DOES NOT PERMIT ME, I AM AS SOVEREIGN AND AS AUTHORITATIVE AS HE, AND CAN PERMIT HIM AS I SEE FIT!"
No one may permit Elohim, this is a falsehood, and the fruit of following men who teach that "you can permit Jesus to be your Lord and Savior!"
"I PERMIT"!!!!!!!
This very doctrine is a blasphemous insult to YHUH Most High, because it infers that He is not SOVEREIGN, by virtue of the fact that there is something that is not subject to Him.
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Yada Yada Yada.... Blah Blah Blah...........
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Disclaimer: Although this post highlights a very important error in understanding and word usage, it is solely intended to be an object lesson.
You do not need a devotional! Stop buying devotionals, they are an insult to the Torah and Elohim!
Posted : 7 Sep, 2012 03:32 PM
truthbeknown..
"He who digs a hole and scoops it out falls into the pit he has made." [Mashal/Proverbs
You fell into the pit you dug for me.
If you are going to be a man of Elohim, you are going to need to learn what true wisdom is, and what the terms "etymology" and "epitemology" mean, and how all words have more than one meaning, before you insert your foot into your mouth up to the hip, and break it off.
The word "permit" has several different meanings, but it does appear that you do not comprehend this.
Do you have a dictionary? What do you have? Is it one of those concise versions, you know, a pocket type, or maybe a Collegiate version?
Throw them away, they are not good enough for the ministry!
Now, for your education, please pay close attention, so you do not miss a thing!
Stop buying all of those cheese-burgers at Mickey Ds and take the money and go and get yourself a real dictionary, a Random House Third New International Dictionary - Unabridged. It will set you back about a hundred bucks, but in the end, you will have in your possession a real dictionary, capable of providing you with the serious word power necessary to serve the Creator. Now you have to make certain that it states "unabridged", or you will not receive every possible meaning that exists regarding a specific word.
Here is what you would have learned, if you had an excellent dictionary like mine.
Notice in the definition below, how this word originated from the Latin "permittere", and the present active infinitive of the word "permitt�". It is a verb.
Here is the etymology of this word "permitt�":
ETYMOLOGY
From per (�through, along; during�) + mitt� (�let go, release; send out; throw�).
In other words, this word "per" means "through, along, during", and can be joined with any of the following, of "mitt�", which means "let go, release; send out, throw".
I am going to provide you with the exact definition from my Webster's Online Version, BELOW, for it is easier to copy and paste.
Please notice the Second, Third and Fourth definitions; the First, being the most modern, is not the original meaning, but is the latter English definition. The First is not close to the Latin, which means, when you use words you better go and do some research, and find out its original meaning. Some words are from the Greek, and some from the Latin, and some from other languages.
This is what studying the scriptures is all about
This word means, beyond the latter, which is all you see it as meaning, the following:
2) TO GIVE LEAVE, [or to bow before (My definition)]
3) TO GIVE OVER, [to release unto the Father (Mine again)]
4) TO MAKE POSSIBLE
In the New Testament we are asked to "Submit". That is a word that has as its counterpart, "Permit", and even "Commit". Notice the similarities. No one can sleak all languages at one time, which is what English in its arrogance tries to do. It was designed by Elohim, to be the perfect antiChrist language, which is why you see this language being forced on peoples of other lands, and now visa versa.
The English definitions are not always accurate, which is why whenever the Luciferians seek to create a new law, they have to set out what terms and words mean, according to that law, so that their imperfect language, which is an amalgam of many words and meanings, is comprehended, or something to that effect.
This is why there are so many different editions. English is a mixture of words and words with different meanings. You may be writing or talking, and using many words in a sentence, that all originated in different languages.
When I used the word, it meant to bow before, and accept His WISDOM, His right to rule my life, for He has proven Him Self through all I see and have experienced.
Etymology: Latin permittere to let through, allow, permit, from per- through + mittere to let go, send -- more at PER-, SMITE
transitive verb
1 : to consent to expressly or formally : grant leave for or the privilege of : ALLOW, TOLERATE <permit smoking> <permit an appeal> <permit access to records>
2 : to give (a person) leave : AUTHORIZE <obliged to permit others to use his patent -- Tris Coffin> <one must permit oneself ... a certain margin of misstatement -- B.N.Cardozo> <permit me to offer my congratulations>
3 archaic : to give over : COMMIT <to the gods permit the event of things -- Joseph Addison>
4 : to make possible <building has been divided ... to permit an unobstructed view -- American Guide Series: Conn>
intransitive verb
1 : to give an opportunity <if time permitted I could go on -- H.G.Doyle> <made himself as comfortable as the hard rock permitted -- Fred Majdalany>
2 : ADMIT -- usually used with of <the distance ... was too great to permit of frequent social intercourse -- Martha T. Stephenson>
synonym see LET
Citation format for this entry:
"permit." Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged. Merriam-Webster, 2002. http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com (7 Sep. 2012).
