Author	Thread: Suicide
TimothyK View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 9 Oct, 2012 03:52 AM I would like strong biblical views on if suicide can be forgiven or if it is a one way ticket to hell. Post Reply
View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 11:54 AM Honestly Dove, the view that John 3:16 somehow teaches against election has been refuted several times here. You're going to have to use some other verse to make the point. I don't mean to turn the topic of this thread, but felt that needed to be addressed. Post Reply
View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 12:11 PM Dove, The John 3:16 discussion has been had ad nauseum. In order to continue to assert that anyone can "accept Jesus as Savior" (language not found in the Bible) you must ignore a mountain of Biblical, logical and historical evidence to the contrary. You can not hang an entire soteriology on one verse to the exclusion of the other 31,102. It just doesn't work that way. Sorry. Post Reply
View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 12:27 PM Apostelle, Here is your theory again: "Even Judas could have been saved from his sin, but he murdered himself. " Yet, even in your explanation, you contradict yourself and fail to see it. How does God pardon the sin of suicide according to your theory? Let me restate it for you. Your theory postulates that unless someone commits the "ONE unpardonable sin" that there is still the possibility of them being saved. So, how is the sin of suicide pardonable? When does a person get to repent of that and choose to be saved? Post Reply
Apostelle View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 12:38 PM Because the Holy Spirit was not in him, he killed himself. He had no hope. Remember, it was fortold that he would betray Christ. He had to betray Christ. Else, Christ would not have been put to death on the cross. What Im saying is that he could have been saved. You are trying to confuse the two points, which are seperate actions. He could have been forgiven and saved after he betrayed our Saviour. He could not have been saved after murdering himself. Thus, suicide means you go to hell. Post Reply
View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 12:41 PM Is suicide pardonable? Post Reply
Apostelle View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 12:51 PM That was the original question. No, suicide is not pardonable simply because once youre dead, it is too late. That is one of the problems I have with Catholicism. You can not pray, or donate money, to get your family members out of hell. My earlier point was that Judas could have truly repented and asked for forgiveness. He could have accepted God and would have been saved. There would have been no need for him to kill himself. In that way, he would have been saved. Post Reply
View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 12:52 PM So, then your assertion that there is only one unpardonable sin was an error? Post Reply
Apostelle View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 12:55 PM Dont try legal tricks, brother. It is unseemly. If Judas had broken his neck, but death was not immediate, he could have asked for forgivess, and been saved, even though death would have followed. But, according to the Bible, that is not what happened. Post Reply
View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 12:58 PM "He could have accepted God and would have been saved. " So you reject the plain teaching of the Bible that Judas was chosen to be a devil from before the foundation of the Earth? He could have defied God's will for him and chosen to redeem himself by "accepting God" ?? By that same logic then it follows that he simply could have chosen NOT to betray Christ in the first place. Why isn't that possible in accordance with your theory? Post Reply
View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 01:06 PM "Dont try legal tricks, brother. It is unseemly. If Judas had broken his neck, but death was not immediate, he could have asked for forgivess, and been saved, " Am I the one trying to deploy the "legal tricks" here? :laugh: What about the guy who puts a .44 magnum to his temple and blows his brains out, do you suppose he might have a moment before his actual death to seek his pardon? Haven't you contradicted yourself yet again? You stated plainly that 'No, suicide is not pardonable simply because once youre dead, it is too late." but now you are seeking some wiggle room by speculating that perhaps a small gap of time might exist if death is not immediate whereby one might seek pardon. Post Reply

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