Author	Thread: The Attributes of God~~~~The Patience of God
dljrn04 View Profile History	The Attributes of God~~~~The Patience of God Posted : 20 Dec, 2012 02:12 AM Far Less Has Been Written on the patience of God than on the other excellencies of divine character. Not a few of those who have expatiated at length upon the divine attributes have passed over the patience of God without any comment. It is not easy to suggest a reason for this, for surely the longsuffering of God is as much one of the divine perfections as is His wisdom, power, or holiness�as much to be admired and revered by us. True, the actual term will not be found in a concordance so frequently as the others, but the glory of this grace shines on almost every page of Scripture. Certainly we lose much if we do not frequently meditate upon the patience of God and earnestly pray that our hearts and ways may be more completely conformed thereto. Probably the principal reason why so many writers have failed to give us anything, separately, upon the patience of God is because of the difficulty of distinguishing this attribute from divine goodness and mercy, particularly the latter. God�s longsuffering is mentioned in conjunction with His grace and mercy again and again (see Exodus 34:6; Numbers 14:18; Psalm 86:15). That the patience of God is really a display of His mercy is one way it is frequently manifested. But that they are one and the same excellency, and are not to be separated, we cannot concede. It may not be easy to discriminate between them. Nevertheless, Scripture fully warrants us in predicating some things of the one which we cannot of the other. Stephen Charnock, the Puritan, defines God�s patience, in part: It is a part of the Divine goodness and mercy, yet differs from both. God being the greatest goodness, hath the greatest mildness; mildness is always the companion of true goodness, and the greater the goodness, the greater the mildness. Who so holy as Christ, and who so meek? God�s slowness to anger is a branch of His mercy: "the LORD is full of compassion, slow to anger" (Ps. 145:8). It differs from mercy in the formal consideration of the subject: mercy respects the creature as miserable, patience respects the creature as criminal; mercy pities him in his misery, patience bears with the sin which engendered the misery, and giving birth to more. Personally we define the divine patience as that power of control which God exercises over Himself, causing Him to bear with the wicked and forebear so long in punishing them. Nahum 1:3 reads, "The LORD is slow to anger and great in power," upon which Mr. Charnock said: Men that are great in the world are quick in passion, and are not so ready to forgive an injury, or bear with an offender, as one of a meaner rank. It is a want of power over that man�s self that makes him do unbecoming things upon a provocation. A prince that can bridle his passions is a king over himself as well as over his subjects. God is slow to anger because great in power. He has no less power over Himself than over His creatures. At the above point, we think, God�s patience is most clearly distinguished from His mercy. Though the creature is benefitted, the patience of God chiefly respects Himself, a restraint placed upon His acts by His will; whereas His mercy terminates wholly upon the creature. The patience of God is that excellency which causes Him to sustain great injuries without immediately avenging Himself. Thus the Hebrew word for the divine longsuffering is rendered "slow to anger" in Nehemiah 9:17, Psalm 103:8. Not that there are any passions in the divine nature, but God�s wisdom and will is pleased to act with a stateliness and sobriety which becomes His exalted majesty. In support of our definition we point out that it was to this excellency in the divine character that Moses appealed, when Israel sinned so grievously at Kadesh-Barnea, and there provoked Jehovah so sorely. Unto His servant the Lord said, "I will smite them with the pestilence and disinherit them." Then the typical mediator pleaded, "I beseech thee let the power of my LORD be great according as thou hast spoken, saying, The LORD is longsuffering" (Num. 14:17). Thus, His longsuffering, is His power of self-restraint. Again, in Romans 9:22 we read, "What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction." Were God to immediately break these reprobate vessels into pieces, His power of self-control would not so eminently appear; by bearing with their wickedness and forebearing punishment so long, the power of His patience is gloriously demonstrated. True, the wicked interpret His longsuffering quite differently�"Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil" (Eccl. 8:11)�but the anointed eye adores what they abuse. "The God of patience" (Rom. 15:5) is one of the divine titles. Deity is thus denominated, First, because God is both the author and object of the grace of patience in the creature. Second, because this is what He is in Himself: patience is one of His perfections. Third, as a pattern for us: "Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercy, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering" (Col. 3:12). And again, "Be ye therefore followers [emulators] of God, as dear children" (Eph. 5:1). When tempted to be disgusted at the dullness of another, or to revenge one who has wronged you, remember God�s infinite patience with you. The patience of God is manifested in His dealings with sinners. How strikingly it was displayed toward the antideluvians. When mankind was universally degenerate, and all flesh had corrupted his way, God did not destroy them till He had forewarned them. He "waited" (1 Pet. 3:20) probably no less than one hundred and twenty years (Gen. 6:3), during which time Noah was a "preacher of righteousness" (2 Pet. 2:5). Later, when the Gentiles not only worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, but also committed the vilest abominations contrary to even the dictates of nature (Rom. 1:19-26), and hereby filled up the measure of their iniquity; yet, instead of drawing His sword to exterminate such rebels, God "suffered all nations to walk in their own ways" and gave them "rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons" (Acts 14:16-17). Marvelously God�s patience was exercised and manifested toward Israel. First, He "suffered their manners" for forty years in the wilderness (Acts 13:18). Later, they entered Canaan, but followed the evil customs of the nations around them, and turned to idolatry; though God chastened them sorely, He did not utterly destroy them, but in their distress, raised up deliverers for them. When their iniquity rose to such a height that none but a God of infinite patience could have borne them, He, notwithstanding, spared them many years before He allowed them to be carried into Babylon. Finally, when their rebellion against Him reached its max by crucifying His Son, He waited forty years before He sent the Romans against them; and that only after they had judged themselves "unworthy of eternal life" (Acts 13:46). How wondrous God�s patience is with the world today. On every side people are sinning with a high hand. The divine law is trampled under foot and God Himself openly despised. It is truly amazing that He does not instantly strike dead those who so brazenly defy Him. Why does He not suddenly cut off the haughty infidel and blatant blasphemer, as He did Ananias and Sapphira? Why does He not cause the earth to open and devour the persecutors of His people, so that, like Dathan and Abiran, they shall go down alive into the pit? And what of apostate Christendom, where every possible form of sin is now tolerated and practiced under cover of the holy name of Christ? Why does not the righteous wrath of heaven make an end of such abominations? Only one answer is possible: because God bears with" much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction." What of the writer and the reader? Let us review our own lives. It is not long since we followed a multitude to do evil, had no concern for God�s glory, and lived only to gratify self. How patiently He bore with our vile conduct! Now that grace has snatched us as brands from the burning, and given us a place in God�s family, and begotten us unto an eternal inheritance in glory; how miserably we requite Him. How shallow our gratitude, how tardy our obedience, how frequent our backslidings! One reason why God suffers the flesh to remain in the believer is that He may exhibit His "longsuffering to us-ward" (2 Pet. 3:9). Since this divine attribute is manifested only in this world, God takes advantage to display it toward "His own." May your meditation upon this divine excellency soften our hearts, make our consciences tender; and may we learn in the school of experience the "patience of saints," namely, submission to the divine will and continuance in well doing. Let us seek grace to emulate this divine excellency. "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect" (Matthew 5:48). In the immediate context Christ exhorts us to love our enemies, bless them that curse us, do good to them that hate us. God bears long with the wicked notwithstanding the multitude of their sin. Shall we desire to be revenged because of a single injury? by A.W. Pink Post Reply
View Profile History	The Attributes of God~~~~The Patience of God Posted : 23 Dec, 2012 01:29 PM "PS, I know the little trick of substituting the word "elect" into any verse not lining up with the reformed doctrine to make it ALL make logical sense." Oh you know that trick? Aw man.... Right, so we see that God is not slack concerning His promises. He is waiting for all of the believers to come...not wishing that any of them perish. Since you admit that God chooses who He wants at times, and you say that God doesn't wish any perish, you have a slight contradiction. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Attributes of God~~~~The Patience of God Posted : 23 Dec, 2012 03:53 PM No contradiction at all.� It may be for you because you have assumed God treats everyone exactly the same way, I don't, and recognize the Sovereignty of God to do as He pleases with His creation. God may wish or desire some to come to salvation yet still allow them to refuse. �Matthew 23:37 �Jerusalem,�Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Attributes of God~~~~The Patience of God Posted : 23 Dec, 2012 06:09 PM All of these cliche arguments have been defeated over and over again and you can see this with a simple google search. For instance, check out James White on the verse you are using here. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Attributes of God~~~~The Patience of God Posted : 23 Dec, 2012 06:52 PM I am assuming it is to complicated to post? Post Reply
View Profile History	The Attributes of God~~~~The Patience of God Posted : 23 Dec, 2012 07:24 PM I'm forcing you to step outside of the cliche responses and to study. If you had done this in the past....since you understand the Calvinist view so well(by your own admission) you would have already known the answer to the verse you posted. Furthermore, you would have not posted the verse because it does not teach what you think it does. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Attributes of God~~~~The Patience of God Posted : 23 Dec, 2012 08:42 PM I bet I can guess your favorite sport as a child..... Dodgeball� Post Reply
View Profile History	The Attributes of God~~~~The Patience of God Posted : 23 Dec, 2012 09:06 PM And I see you'd rather sit on the couch and watch everyone else play sports while complaining that someone didn't pass you the ball... :) Post Reply
View Profile History	The Attributes of God~~~~The Patience of God Posted : 23 Dec, 2012 09:23 PM And yet a another Dodge! *whoosh* Wow you're good, just not very subtle at it. Lol! Post Reply
View Profile History	The Attributes of God~~~~The Patience of God Posted : 23 Dec, 2012 09:32 PM I'm just playing your game. There is nothing to dodge because you haven't asked anything of substance. You're asking if James White's take on the verse is too complicated to post. It's a silly question. The reason I didn't answer to begin with is because you have remained adamant that you understand Calvinism and yet over and over you post cliche arguments that have been refuted over and over again and can easily be viewed online. The fact that you don't realize this makes my point that you indeed do not understand the opposition. Another area of concern is that you like to imply that if something is complicated then it must be wrong. This is exactly why we have so many people barely scratching the surface of scripture. They have their belief systems and don't care to dig deeper to actually understand. You have made the argument that taking scripture at face value is the best route. Of course this leads to obvious problems in interpretations. Scripture is to be understood, not just read. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Attributes of God~~~~The Patience of God Posted : 23 Dec, 2012 09:36 PM *Whoosh* Post Reply

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