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Jesus, John, Paul and Daniel were all Post-tribbers
Posted : 11 Jan, 2013 08:59 PM
WE ARE ALL EAGERLY WAITING FOR OUR ETERNAL RENDEZVOUS WITH JESUS!
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I Peter 1:13: �Therefore, prepare your minds for ACTION, and set your hope *FULLY* on the grace to be given YOU when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED*. I Cor 1:7: �YOU do not lack any spiritual gift as YOU eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be *REVEALED*.� Now the pre-tribbers claim that this glorious *REVEALING or *REVELATION* of Jesus will be *CONCEALED* BEFORE the beginning of the Great Tribulation.� However, every other time the Word *REVEALED* {Greek-Apocalipsis} is used related to resurrection events it refers to the glorious REVEALING of Jesus on the *LAST DAY* of the Great Tribulation {See 2 Thess 1:7-10 & Luke 17:26-31}. And *CONCEALED* is the exact opposite of *REVEALED* and *APPEARED* according to every dictionary!�
Titus 2:13: �*WE* wait for the *BLESSED HOPE*�the glorious *APPEARING* of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. �Hebrews 9:28 �Jesus will *APPEAR* a 2nd time {And not a 3rd TIME!} to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him!��Colossians 1:2; 3:4: �To the holy and faithful brothers in Christ.... When Christ, who is your life **APPEARS**, then you also will **APPEAR** with Him in glory.� I John 3:2,3: �When Jesus *APPEARS*, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. Everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure!!�
Matthew 24:29,30: Jesus says, �IMMEDIATELY AFTER the distress of those days {The Great Tribulation} the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will *APPEAR in the sky and the nations will *SEE* the Son of Man COMING on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory!!� I John 2:28: �Dear children, continue in Him, so that when He *APPEARS* WE may be confident and unashamed before Him at His COMING!� {See 2 Thess 1:7-10; I Tim 6:14; Heb 9:28 & Col 3:4}� 2 Tim 4:8: Paul said, There is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on THAT DAY�and not only to me, but to *ALL who have longed for His *APPEARING*!!� I Peter 5:4: �When the Chief Shepherd **APPEARS**, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away!�
2 Thess 1:1,6-10:� �To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians�God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well.� This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is *REVEALED* {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire�.� He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.� They will be punished with everlasting *DESTRUCTION* and shut out from the presence of the Lord *ON THE DAY HE COMES* to be glorified in His holy people!!�
A meeting at an appointed place and time is called a RENDEZVOUS. We have a RENDEZVOUS with eternity at the glorious *APPEARING and *REVEALING of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ *IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Great Tribulation.:angel::angel:
Jesus, John, Paul and Daniel were all Post-tribbers
Posted : 13 Jan, 2013 10:20 AM
THERE WILL BE 2 COMINGS OF JESUS ON THE SAME LAST DAY!!
��� ��Revelation 1:7:� �Look, He is coming with the *CLOUDS*, and *EVERY EYE* will see Him, even those who pierced Him!� This 2nd Coming of Jesus with the *CLOUDS* is also mentioned in Matt 24:30 and I Thess 4:17 and in Matthew 26:64: Jesus replied, �But I say to all of you:� In the future you {Unsaved Jews at His trial} will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty one and coming on the *CLOUDS* of heaven!����
There will be 2 Comings of Jesus on the same Last Day.� The First Coming will be *FOR* His saints and His second Coming will be *WITH* His saints on Heavenly White Horses right after they celebrate the Marriage Feast of the Lamb. {Read Rev 19:7-9 & Rev 17:11,14} They will conquer 666 and his 10 armies {See Rev 19:19-21}. This then explains the resurrection of God's saints in Luke 17:30,35: Jesus says, �It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is *REVEALED....two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.� All of the lost who are left behind when Jesus is *REVEALED; will later be judged and then sent to hell on that same Last Day. {See 2 Thess 1:6-10; John 5:28,29; 12:48; Daniel 12:1,2,7b & Matt 25:31-33;41-46} Pre-tribbers wrongly teach that Luke 17:30,35 above and Matt 24:40-41 prove a pre-trib rapture.
������ Jesus {See Rev 1:10,18} said to John in Rev 1:19: �Write what you have seen, WHAT IS NOW {Rev chapters 2 & 3} and *WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE LATER*.� {Rev chapters 6-22}� Events that will occur on the Last Day are recorded in Rev 6:12-17; Rev 11:15-19; Rev 14:14-20; Rev 16:17-21; Rev 19:1-21 & Rev 20:9b-15.� Question: How many words in Revelation, chapters 6-22 are devoted to a rapture before the beginning of the Great Tribulation??� Answer: *ZERO*!! In Rev 4:1 Jesus invited John to come up to Heaven in AD 96 so that he could write what he saw.� Rev 4:1b: Jesus said to John in AD 96, �Come up here, and I will show you *WHAT MUST TAKE PLACE.�� Unfortunately, there are some pre-tribbers who teach that Rev 4:1 actually proves a *CONCEALED* rapture of the church saints before the beginning of the Great Tribulation; which shows a *NEW LOW in honest Bible exegesis. How many words in the Olivet discourse are devoted to a rapture before the Great Tribulation?� Answer: *ZERO*!! The Olivet discourse by Jesus about the End-Times are recorded in Matt 24 & 25, Mark 13 and Luke 21.� Events which will occur on the Last Day of the Tribulation including the 2nd Coming are recorded in Matt 24:29-31; Matt 25:31-46; Mark 13:24-27 & Luke 21:25-28.�
Rev 22:16,18,19: Jesus says, �I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give *YOU* {The Greek for YOU is plural} this testimony {ALL OF REVELATION} *FOR* the CHURCHES.� This contradicts the ridiculous pre-trib idea that Revelation, chapters 4-19, was not written *FOR* the CHURCHES! The word �CHURCH�is also not mentioned in 9 books of the NT: John, Mark, Luke, 2 Tim, 1 John, 2 John, 1 Peter, 2 Peter and Jude; and is not mentioned in the first 15 chapters of Romans and yet every word in all these NT books are �FOR THE CHURCHES�..... �I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book.� If anyone *ADDS anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.� And if anyone *TAKES WORDS AWAY from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city which are described in this book.�
ARE CHURCH SAINTS WASHED IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB MENTIONED DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION IN REVELATION CHAPTERS 6 THROUGH 19??
We see Church saints during the Great Tribulation in Revelation 7:9,14; Rev 12:11,17; Rev 13:8-11; Rev 17:6 and in many other places we read of God's faithful and courageous Tribulation saints.
Rev 7:9,14: "There before me was a great multitude that no one could count , from **EVERY** nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb.....The Elder said, "These are they who have come out of the Great Tribulation {martyrs}; they have washed their robes in the BLOOD OF THE LAMB!!"
Just before the coming of 666 and the 1260-day Great Tribulation in Revelation 13:1 we read in Rev 12:17 Then the dragon {Satan} was enraged at the woman {Sarah} and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring--THOSE WHO OBEY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AND HOLD TO THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS!!"
Rev 12:11: "They overcame him {Satan} by the BLOOD OF THE LAMB and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. "
Revelation 13:8,10b: The inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast {666}--all whose names have not written in the BOOK OF LIFE BELONGING TO THE LAMB... This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.
Rev 17:6: "I saw that the woman {Rome} was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus."
During the Great Tribulation with 666 in control of every nation tribe and language it will no longer be safe for the saints to worship in churches.
It is time for all pre-trib *ADDERS* to repent; and all CLOSET Post-Tribbers to come out of their closets and teach ALL of God's Word as per 2 Tim 4:1-8 since the End-Times are very near. Paul was inspired to write in 2 Timothy 4:8: �There is in store for me the Crown of Righteousness which the Lord will award to me on *THAT DAY*�and not only to me, but to *ALL who have longed for *HIS APPEARING*.� THE ETERNAL RENDEZVOUS WITH JESUS!
Jesus, John, Paul and Daniel were all Post-tribbers
Posted : 13 Jan, 2013 11:28 AM
Tc,
You expectig individuals who have done the studying and developed a conviction concerning a topic to just abandon it on your word because you tell us we are wrong is very insulting.
But I forgive you for your ignorance.
This is the problem with christianity. Most people are happy to blindly listen to woever and not do the work to study and develop their own convictions.
I applaud your convictions TC if they are convictions you developed on your own time and study. If not you are just like all the other sheep.
Only you know.........
To me it is really irrelevant if anyone follows the convictions I have developed through my personal study of Gods word. Everyone is their own agent and will give account before God including me. I move with the utmost confidence in my faith and convictions as do others here.
I appreciate your efforts though as I appreciate the efforts of the others because the one thing we have in common is our love for truth.
Jesus, John, Paul and Daniel were all Post-tribbers
Posted : 13 Jan, 2013 05:42 PM
Tc,
You expectig individuals who have done the studying and developed a conviction concerning a topic to just abandon it on your word because you tell us we are wrong is very insulting.
I have never said anything such thing, that is often a typical response of many that are not teachable.
It is impossible to be so far off walking in the light of scripture.
Scripture never yields darkness
But I forgive you for your ignorance.
Now that is a good example of an insult
This is the problem with christianity. Most people are happy to blindly listen to woever and not do the work to study and develop their own convictions.
I agree to a point and those who do come up with answers such as this.
The problem is in what has been heard and accepted as truth.
I applaud your convictions TC if they are convictions you developed on your own time and study. If not you are just like all the other sheep.
Would not make any statement like this, nor would the holy spirit ever allow it.
Only you know.........
NO THE father knows, the Son knows, The Holy Spirit.
To me it is really irrelevant if anyone follows the convictions I have developed through my personal study of Gods word. Everyone is their own agent and will give account before God including me. I move with the utmost confidence in my faith and convictions as do others here.
Impossible to have confidence in error
I appreciate your efforts though as I appreciate the efforts of the others because the one thing we have in common is our love for truth.
Scripture always stands on it's own and win it illuminates in the heart faith comes, as posted there is nothing of faith here.
There is only One Truth Concerning the rapture of the Church.
One would never defend this type of position if they where walking in the light as he is in the light on this topic, because it is life and death to some.
Jesus, John, Paul and Daniel were all Post-tribbers
Posted : 14 Jan, 2013 05:16 AM
Thats soooooo funny because we all have confidence and someone is in error, right?
In otherwords you believe faith comes in error
Dude I think you really need to speak to your self out loud before making these self contridicting statements.
Whether you realize it or not, there is your error, you continually place yourself before the integrity of scripture, very interesting response from a man
Jesus, John, Paul and Daniel were all Post-tribbers
Posted : 14 Jan, 2013 05:50 AM
This wasn't about scripture. This was about a ridiculous comment you made that it's impossible to have confidence in error. That is in opposition to reality and is in opposition to scripture as well. Any honest man would have admitted his mistake. Will you be honest or dishonest?
Jesus, John, Paul and Daniel were all Post-tribbers
Posted : 14 Jan, 2013 05:58 AM
GD,
Maybe we are missunderstanding TC. Probally what he means is that error is nothing to have confidence in. That the confidence one has in error will ultimatly turn out to fail. This statement I can agree with.
As we know the day the Judgement throne of God is opened before those who have placed their confidence in anything beside the truth will fail before them because the truth will be revealed.
I believe this is what Tc was trying to communicate. I think we all can agree on this point together.
Jesus, John, Paul and Daniel were all Post-tribbers
Posted : 14 Jan, 2013 06:22 AM
WILL THE COURAGEOUS TRIBULATION SAINTS SUFFER THE WRATH OF GOD??
God has always allowed His people to suffer tribulation and trials because they purify and perfect their faith and will gain countless eternal rewards when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED. There are over 40,000 saints martyred every year and the main culprit is no longer just Islam and the Satanic Roman Catholic Church. Millions of saints were martyred by the Communist atheist countries after 1917 in Russia and after 1948 in China and then in North Korea and Vietnam. Many more millions were killed by Japan 1937-1945 and by the Fascists in Italy and Germany 1922-1945. Romans 8:35-37: �Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?... For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered. No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us!� I Peter 1:6-8:���In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED.��
I Peter 2:20b,21: �But if you suffer for doing good and endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow IN HIS STEPS.� I Peter 4:12,13: �Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you. But REJOICE that you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when His glory is *REVEALED!� Rev 2:10: Jesus says, �Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the Crown of Life.� Read other persecution verses: Matthew 5:10-12; Romans 5:3; Heb 13:35-40; 2 Tim 3:12; 2 Cor 1:7-10; I Thess 3:3,4; Phil 1:29; Phil 3:10; Rev 12:11; Rev 13:9,10 & Rev 14:13.
������ The courageous and faithful Tribulation saints will *NOT* be hurt by God�s *WRATH* as shown in Rev 14:9-11; 15:1,7; 16:1,19; or in any of the 7 trumpet or 7 bowl plagues as explained in Rev 9:4,20,21 and Rev 16:2,4-6,9,10,21; or in any of the plagues of God�s 2 witnesses as per Rev 11:6,10; or in *ETERNAL HELL*: Rev 14:9-11: �If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he will drink of the wine of God�s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of *HIS WRATH*.� He will be tormented with burning sulfur and the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever.�
The pre-tribs often confuse the wrath of God with the persecution from the anti-christ. They are not the same thing. The wrath of God is intended for the ungodly and will be poured upon them and them only. The Lord knows His target and He never misses. Jesus warned in Matthew 10:28, �And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.�
In Rev 18:1-24 we read about the plagues that will destroy the headquarters of 666 during the Great Tribulation. This evil city on 7 hills {See Rev 17:9} is called �Babylon� which Peter implied was the nickname for Rome in 2 Peter 5:13. In Rev 18:4 a voice from Heaven will order God's saints to stay away from Babylon {Rome-That great seaport-Rev 18:17-19} so that they will not participate in her sins or be hurt by God's wrath which will completely destroy Rome with many horrific plagues. There are 260 verses from Revelation chapters 6 thru 20 and 128 of these verses or 49% tell of the wrath of God to unbelievers, 666, his False Prophet and Rome. However, not even one of these verses tells of any wrath of God toward His courageous Tribulation saints. Even pre-tribbers and mid-tribbers reluctantly agree that believers during the Great Tribulation will be exempt from the wrath of God.
Jesus says, �My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one!� John 17:15
Jesus says, �Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell!!�:angel:
