Thread: As of September 3rd CDFF Is Dominated By Quarrels Involving Only Six People
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As of September 3rd CDFF Is Dominated By Quarrels Involving Only Six People
Posted : 3 Sep, 2013 10:16 AM
Part of the reason a very small number of people can dominate this forum is because only ten posts appear on the first page. Most other Christian forums have at least twenty posts on their first page.
This forum has been read by some who never post here, and one of the reasons they never post here is because of too much quarreling. Now it seems worse, and the heightened quarreling is probably turning off people who would continue to read the forum if it were not for so much quarreling.
Paul in Romans 1: 28-30 lists several characteristics of the reprobate mind, such as covetousness, deceit, pride, backbiters and - debate, from the Greek eris. But the 1881 British Revised Version changed the translation of eris from debate to strife, and most recent English versions use strife. Those who defend the new versions say the meaning of the English word debate has changed and therefore debate is no longer something a Christian might not want to do. The older translations use different words for instances in which Christians verbally defend the truth of scripture, as in Acts 15: 1-2, using dissention and disputation instead of debate, though the NIV has sharp dispute and debate.
But the new versions leave the word contentious in their translations of I Corinthians 11: 16, "If any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom..."
And if you look at the argument closely that tries to justify replacing debate with strife for Romans 1: 29, it does not really make sense.
If the English word debate has changed in usage from something closer to a quarrel, to something supposedly more polite as in high school or college debating teams, then the English word closest in meaning to eris should be substituted for debate, not a more general term, strife.
As of September 3rd CDFF Is Dominated By Quarrels Involving Only Six People
Posted : 4 Sep, 2013 04:39 PM
The importance of learning what the dialectic process is focuses upon it as a revolt against the absolute truth of the Word of God and on it as a rebellion against God himself as absolute authority. What is important is that which is behind the specific forms of dialogue used in the dialectic when the absolute truth of scripture is argued against by someone using the dialectic process.
And for Christians who use the dialectic all the time without being aware of it, what the dialectic process is all about is very hard for them to understand. They will use the dialectic process in arguing against an explanation of the dialectic.
Dean Gotcher is very hared for most Christians to understand, partly because he is both a scholar and a preacher.
The dialectic is hard to understand because it is a change in fundamental thinking, in what is called Epistemology, the study of how we obtain knowledge, and also the methods used by those with the dialectic mind set, that is, the procedures they have used in bringing this fundamental change in our thinking, what we consider as truth can be called the dialectic.
And the dialectic has blended in with what was called the argumentativeness before the dialectic became so popular. Remember that the Internet has allowed and even encouraged a kind of argumentativeness because often on forums, etc the identity of the people doing the arguing is hidden.
Dean Gotcher says "Opinion, how we feel and what we think at the given 'moment' is subject to 'change,' subject to the given 'situation,' whereas position, which we receive from someone else, is not. We are all being taxonomised, i.e. classified, our worth or value being determined along this continuum (this spectrum) from traditional ("fixity" or a patriarchal paradigm), through transitional ('changeable' or a matriarchal paradigm), to transformation ('changingness' or a heresiarchal paradigm) way of thinking and acting, in this "new" world order (color coded with traditional being red, i.e. high risk, transitional, being yellow, i.e. moderate risk, and transformational being green, i.e. low or of no risk, regarding the person's thoughts and actions vis-�-vis the process of 'change'�by throwing you into a crisis and seeing how you respond, i.e. which paradigm you use or revert to, your color, i.e. your worth or value, will be exposed), with "the children of disobedience," i.e. facilitators of 'change' (the Department of Human Resource) in control, negating the Father's authority, i.e. the "guilty conscience," faith in God, in the thoughts and actions of the children (the families, the workplaces, the classrooms, the governments, the "churches," "the people") around the world. It is what the "new" world order, i.e. dialectic 'reasoning', i.e. 'change' is all about. Carl Rogers explained dialectic 'reasoning' this way: "
"Carl Rogers explained dialectic 'reasoning' this way:
"Experience is, for me, the highest authority." "Neither the Bible nor the prophets, neither the revelations of God can take precedence over my own direct experience." (Carl Rogers, on becoming a person: A Therapist View of Psychotherapy) "
The dialectic process is not academics, as those who use it would like you to believe. It is secularized Satanism, intellectualized witchcraft. As in Genesis 3:1-6, the master facilitator of 'change' is "helping" man become dependent upon his "fleshly lusts," using his carnal nature to evaluate from, i.e. determining for himself what is right and what is wrong, i.e. determining good and what is evil according to his "human nature," according to how he "feels" and what he "thinks" in the given 'moment,' i.e. being influenced and controlled by the "prince of the power of the air." "Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;" 1 Peter 2:11 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness [who can see God's handiwork in the creation but refuse to recognize Him, worshiping it and themselves instead];" "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them" Romans 1:18, 28-32 "For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them." Ephesians 5:5-7 "If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Revelation 14:9-1
