Author	Thread: Elijah The Prophet
dmaxwel1 View Profile History	Elijah The Prophet Posted : 18 Dec, 2013 03:28 PM Will Elijah the Prophet make a "third" return just before Jesus' "2nd" return? Most Pastors will say John the Baptist was the only biblically confirmed return of Elijah. Are they correct? Should you be listening for the voice of Elijah in these days? If you think no, see the following verses and answer the question below, and see if the results change your mind. Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. (note future tense), Malachi 3:1 (see the Hebrew for Lord) and Malachi 4:5 (again, see the Hebrew for Lord). When did John the Baptist die? If after reading the above verses and then answering the question, you still believe Elijah does not return, then let's talk about it. :) Listen for Elijah's voice because it is once again preparing the way for the "Lord". This time the Lion NOT the Lamb..." Did you know that God thinks it is so important that children and their dads have a relationship of love that if they do not, it is curse worthy? Note: the verse below also has a higher spiritual and corporate meaning in terms of fathers and sons, but don't believe that it is also not individual. Malachi 4:4-6 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. Post Reply
View Profile History	Elijah The Prophet Posted : 19 Dec, 2013 05:23 PM The crux of the problem with your argument is that it comes from a dispensational view which is completely non-Biblical and is especially full of error when it comes to Eschatology. Dispensationalism is a fairly recent doctrine and is not something that the Bible will support. It has only brought more corruption to Theology and so skewed the world view of modern Christians that they have been led so far astray that it is nearly impossible for them to understand the truth. Post Reply
dmaxwel1 View Profile History	Elijah The Prophet Posted : 19 Dec, 2013 08:57 PM Please elaborate on your comment. I do not use man-made concepts to interpret the word. What about my post leads to your conclusion? Please be specific. You raise doubt without any facts to support your statement. Post Reply
View Profile History	Elijah The Prophet Posted : 20 Dec, 2013 06:15 PM The best hermaneutic is to allow the Bible to interpret the Bible. You said, "I do not use man-made concepts to interpret the word." This is not a true statement and here is why. (Please keep in mind that I am not calling you a liar. You are probably not but the lens through which you view the Bible is a lie.) What you are talking about in your post is right out of the teachings ofDdispensationalism which did not arrive onto the Christian scene until around the early 19th century. It was propigated by John Darby and the Plymouth Bretheren. The church was most influenced by this errant Theology by C.I. Scofield and the advent of his annotated Bible. If you are not familiar with this Theology you should research it. The idea you are discussing falls in line with the progressive revelation theory of dispensationalism. I recommend that you research the difference between Dispensationalism and Preterism. Preterists believe the prophesies of the Old Testament have been fulfilled. It is believed that Revelation was fulfilled in the first century and Daniel in the second century. I grew up learning Dispensationalism and thought it was the way everyone interpreted the Bible but then I learned about Preterism and it changed my view. Post Reply
dmaxwel1 View Profile History	Elijah The Prophet Posted : 20 Dec, 2013 08:01 PM But neither one of these titles/ can be found in the word of God. They are both man-made... How could all the prophecies in the Old Testament and Revelation be fulfilled? What you are suggesting has no biblical support, and it actually makes you seem detached at best. Anyone that suggests prophecy no longer has a place in the life of a saint (especially in these days) is not comprehending the word. Please explain your understanding of the second coming? Post Reply
View Profile History	Elijah The Prophet Posted : 20 Dec, 2013 09:35 PM It seems you have missed my point. You say you do no want to use a man-made interpretation of the Bible and yet you do. It is called Dispensationalism. You have not taken my advice that you study the history of it and compare it to Preterism. I cannot discuss this with you if you won't do the work it takes for you to have an understanding of it. You seem like a very intelligent man and it would be a shame if you choose to believe something without knowing anything about it. I am a Moderate Preterist in my Eschatology. I believe that because the Apocolypse is a vision it cannot be completely taken literally. Much of it is metaphor and allegory. Other parts of it were literally fulfilled in or before 70 AD. As for the second coming, I believe there will be a literal physical coming of Christ in the future and that the purpose of His coming is to stop a world war bound to destroy humanity that will be taking place in the Middle East. He will then set up His kingdom on earth centered in New Jerusalem. I also believe there will be a new heaven and earth. Post Reply
dmaxwel1 View Profile History	Elijah The Prophet Posted : 21 Dec, 2013 08:19 AM Ok. Well both of us are missing points. You use the terms Dispensationalism & Preterism to describe your eschatology. However, both of these are man-made categorizations. If you are not talking about man-made dogma or approaches, why do I have to research them? You should be telling me chapter and verse to review, not to go to the library or Google something. I hope now you can see that anything needed to be researched outside of the bible must be man-made... Also, it is widely agreed that Revelation was written after 70 ad. I agree with this sentiment. I think the fact that John was banished to Patmos and that the messages were directed to the churches in Asia help support this point. John was not near Jerusalem and no churches of that region were mentioned because 70 AD already happened. Most date revelation at around 80 - 95 ad. Which would show that God allowed John to "tarry" for quite some time as he indicated he may... Post Reply

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