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Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 26 Sep, 2015 08:24 AM
Gracenotworkssaves posted church service-worship service on September 5, 2015
"Hello everyone
I hear these two sayings a lot by Christians, church service--- worship service, I cannot find either of these terms nor any references to them in the entire New Covenant.
Is there someone which could post at least one Scripture showing where we are to be ' Going to church', ' Attending a worship service' or 'Going to a church service'.
I do not believe these 'things' are in the Word of GOD almighty, that they have been made up by men to entertain the people and to keep the masses from knowing the truth of who Messiah
Yeshua really is.
Have fun searching the Scriptures concerning these man made events."
In response: Here are more than one Scripture passages in response to your thread. Prayerfully,this will help you and others to know the truth as to why Christian believer are to gather together in one place as the Body of Christ...doesn't matter if its in a church building that has been set aside for the place to honor God in worship, or if its a home, or at McDonalds... as a church (Body of Christ) we are to gather together as ONE in obedience to Christ, who tell us that, Where two or MORE are gather together in HIS NAME He is in our midst"...
I do not know your purpose of intent to prove or disprove that we, as Christian believers are to assemble ourselves together, or if this is to justify YOU not attending church worship services� but throughout the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John we find wherein, Jesus Himself and the disciples attended church/worship services in the temple and synagogues, praying and worshipping God and preaching and teaching the gospel to the people.
You requested one Scripture passage, in the New Testament but to assure you of our obligation as the Body of Christ, that we are to gather together (attend church-worship service) as ONE BODY IN CHRIST AS THE CHURCH IN ONE PLACE TOGETHER... I will provide you with more than ONE PASSAGE. �Its your choice to decide what YOU will do�therefore, I have you not ignorant my brother of GOD�S TRUTH, NOT BASED ON YOUR OWN BELIEFS OR TRUTH ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU THINK AND BELIEVE� but the CHURCH gathered to gather often and regularly in ONE PLACE that was set aside for praise and worship of our Lord. Call it what you may, church service, worship service or whatever... the purpose of gathering together as Christian believers in one place has ONLY one goal in mind...to worship and praise our Lord Jesus Christ in one accord as a group.
1. Matthew 16:13-20
18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church (Body of Christ) ; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
2. On the Day of Pentecost the Body of Christ (the Church were gathered together in one place
Acts 2: When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in ONE PLACE."
4. Throughout the book of Acts we find the Apostles and disciples, and THE CHURCH (People-BODY OF CHRIST) praying and worshipping together either in the temple (church) or the synagogue (church), as well as the new Christian believers in homes. You search the Scriptures for yourself�. Acts 1:42-45; Acts 3:1-11; Acts 5:42; Acts 6:9-443; Acts 10:1-24; Acts 11-12; Acts 13:5-14; Acts 14:1; Acts 20:17.
5. The Apostle Paul writes in Ephesians 4:11-12, �So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people (the saints/church-Body of Christ) for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up.�
If no one is attending church as a group of believers what use are the called position God has given in the church, if the body is scatters and not attending together in one place as the Body of Christ?
6. The gifts of the Holy Spirit were given to the CHURCH (Body of Christ) in the CHURCH, not so that each person as the Lone Ranger for their own use... I Corinthians 12,
7. In I Peter 5:2-4 �Be shepherds of God�s flock that is under your care, watching over them�not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.�
A flock is not one person, nor is a flock two or three people it�s the gathering of a group of people/sheep , etc... in one place otherwise, how can you effectively care for them or shepherd a flock properly if they are scattered all over the place?
8. Church Discipline is also to be brought before the CHURCH... how can this happen if no one is gathered together in ONE PLACE AS THE BODY OF CHRIST?
Matthew 8:15-17... "And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto you as a heathen man and a tax collector."
9. Paul also speaks about defiling the church in I Corinthians chapter 5: � In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
I could go on to show YOU your error as it pertains to Christian believers gathering together in one place to worship and praise our Lord... Nevertheless, For you or anyone to say that gathering together as ONE BODY IN CHRIST IS NOT IMPORTANT OR THE TERMS USED IS OF MAN, MATTERS NOT WHAT YOU CALL IT... THIS IS A LIE OF THE DEVIL!.. NO WHERE CAN YOU PROVIDE A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS BELIEVERS ARE NOT TO GATHER TOGETHER IN ONE PLACE, AND FOR SURE IS NOT BIBLICAL NOR CAN BE FOUND IN GOD'S HOLY WORD THAT WHEN BELIEVERS OD GATHER THIS IS NOT CALLED WORSHIP SERVICE OR CHURCH SERVICE..
For believers to gather corporately in one place is found through out the New Testament., whether they gather in a temple, or any kind of building that is called a church... attendance promotes fellowship and encouragement.. again, call it church service or worship service THIS IS NOT important.
If you and your family gather together and this is important for fellowship with one another as a family, should not this be the same for Christian believers who gather togethr in one place to worship and praise the Lord? YES!...
Again, The church building is a place dedicated to the worship of the corporate BODY OF CHRIST TO come together in one place having all things in common, with one spiritual purpose in mind, to worship in one accord our Lord Jesus Christ as ONE BODY IN CHRIST.
You find this gathering in unity from the Old Testament throughout the New Testament and finally in the book of Revelation, when ALL THE SAINTS OF GOD WILL GATHER IN ONE PLACE TO WORSHIP AND SING PRAISE TO GOD OUR FATHER AND OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IN HIS HOLY TEMPLE!
The 1st century Christian believers could not afford a church building therefore they DID NOT have a building built for worshipping God, but they still gathered wherever they could in ONE PLACE in one accorded to worship the Lord.
DO NOT ALLOW THE DEVIL TO DECEIVE YOU INTO BELIEVING THAT THIS IS NOT SCRIPTURAL, AND IS NOT OF GOD... THE DEVIL IS A LAIR PREVENTING YOU AND OTHERS FROM GETTING SPIRITUALLY STRONG IN THE LORD THROUGH THE FELLOWSHIPPING AND PRAISING GOD WITH OTHER CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS IN ONE PLACE, THIS IS TO STRENGTHEN YOUR FAITH WHEN YOU GATHER IN THE HOUSE OF WORSHIP WITH OTHER BELIEVERS.
The church building is CALLED A HOUSE OF WORSHIP, denoting that it is the place where the CHURCH (BODY OF CHRIST) gathers together in one place in one accord... no different than your HOUSE IS CALLED A HOME WHERE YOUR FAMILY LIVES AND GATHERS TOGETHER IN ONE PLACE AND IN ONE ACCORD... TO LIVE AS A FAMILY!:glow:.. what does going hme mean or have to do with going to your house where your family lives and gather?... terms have nothing to do with what God commands or expects of us... so don't get lost in the use of terms " attending worshp service" or "going to church service" to justify YOU not attending or gathering together with other believers in one place,,, you can find yourself in spiritual error, as you already are...and is MORE spiritual damaging than the TERMS!
The big question is: ARE YOU IN OBEDIENCE/COMPLIANCE WITH, AND TO WHAT GOD REQUIRES OF US FOR OUR OWN SPIRITUAL GROWTH AND COMMANDS OF US AS CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS...
Hebrews 10:24-25:
"And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.":glow:
I do not know if you have understood anything I have ever written, have proclaimed the Gospel numerous times here, but most will not understand the simplicity of what GOD Almighty says in His word ( not the translations).
*** Georgy Porgy Puddin n Pie in the Eye�You are Absolutely 100% right!...For I can Hear the LORDs Voice ONLY and will not Listen nor Follow another��Another Gospel� that is�
What is the Gospel ?
~~~ JESUS ~~~
Jesus is the Gospel�the LIVING GOSPEL !!!...
Folks preach and proclaim �this� and �that� but fail Miserably to proclaim HIM !!!
Folks call Him Jesus�Yeshua�Yahshua�Yehoshua�Jehoshua�in Arabic its Isa in Greek it is Iesous. :excited:
I�ve never come across one person that can understand a Mish~Mass of vague dialog strung together with Scripture plucked out of context and Sprinkled in betwixt for the purpose of trying to convince a person what the Gospel of Christ is.
All of the Scriptures you listed are Most Excellent George in Linking�Showing and Proving that Christ Jesus HAS Fulfilled many of the Prophecies� of the OT for the whole of the Holy Bible speaks Volumes of GOD and His plan of Redemption�and out of All that you posted lays the most Pure and Simple Gospel which we as �Christians� are to Proclaim�You posted some of it�verses 1-4�verse 1-8 are called "The Gospel in a Nut Shell"...here it is in its entirety�and all would do well to take it all to heart�
1 Corinthians 15 (KJV)
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
*** All in all�its ALL about JESUS�who HE is�and What He Has Done�and What HE Will Do!!!
Nothing Less and Nothing More�
GOD�s Continued Grace and Blessings Abide ! � X <>< O
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 28 Sep, 2015 01:31 PM
To Gracenotworkssaves�.
George states: "The Gospel does not require anyone to repent of their sin to be saved, a person is to repent ( change their mind) of their UNBELIEF towards GOD Almighty, believe the Gospel."
George, Please provide Scripture passages for your above statement� I can�t find any place in God�s Word wherein this statement of your�s is TRUE.
But I do find, Based on what we�re told in I John chapter 1, to affirm the purpose of repentance.
5 "This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.�
AND...Maybe you can explain what Peter is speaking about here in this passage regarding repentance�
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL (meaning�EVERYONE) should come to repentance.
I�m not going to go through everything that God speaks against YOUR own beliefs and YOUR GOSPEL ACCORDING TO YOU..., that�s up to you to know the truth for yourself� and if you say you know the truth of the Gospel that is OFGOD IN HIS WORD, then you already know that for youself what you speakis not a turth from GOD!,
George states: �The Gospel does not require anyone to repent of their sin to be saved,�
THIS IS NOT A TRUTH. Firstly, because a person cannot believe until he/she has REPENTED of their sin of unbelief, and we are taught that it is the work of the Holy Spirit to convict us of our sins� If a person is in unbelief, how can he/she receive the truth of the Gospel without first repenting of their unbelief?...UNBELIEF IS SIN!
Notonly this but Galatians 5, tells us these things: 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."
So how does a person get rid of these sins and receive the Holy Spirit to walk here in?... ONLY THROUGH REPENTANCE!
George states: "The Gospel says that man is not condemned because of sin, as sin has been dealt with by the cross."
Yes, God made provision for our salvation through giving up His Son to die on the cross for our sins, so that we might be DEAD TO SINS AND ALIVE IN CHRIST THROUGH REPENTANCE� you�re missing the fact that man is condemned BECAUSE OF SIN WHETHER ITS UNBELIEF OF SINS OF THE FLESH!
John chapter 3 says this:20 For everyone practicing evil (sin) hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds (sins) should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds (good works) may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.�
George says: Man is condemned because of UNBELIEF, not FAITHING INTO YESHUA ( not a new understanding, what the Word of GOD actually says, FAITHING).
Call whatever you may, but repents leads the way to evenhaving faith according to what God's Word teaches...
George states: "The Gospel does not require man to do anything, for Grace, and Faith which are necessary for FAITHING into Messiah are given by GOD Almighty."
The ONLYTHING the Gospel requires of man to be saved is to REPENTOF HIS SINS, HAVE FAITH TO BELIEVE, AND RECEIVE JESUS CHRIST AS HIS LORRD AND SAVIOR� God demonstrated His LOVE AND GRACE while we were yet (still) sinners that took care of all the esstenials that offers man the opportunity to repentance for the FORGIVENESS OF OUR SINS�. As Paul so states in Romans 6, Romans 6 King James Version (KJV)
1. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
And Jesus taught the disciples/us to prayer saying...Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors.
13 And do not lead us into temptation,But deliver us from the evil one.For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
14 �For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
How can there be forgiveness without repentance?
In closing God did not send Jesus to die on the cross to help our unbelief, but Scripture teaches us this�
Matthew. 1:20-21 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 28 Sep, 2015 01:43 PM
BTW, Gracenotworks (George), once again, you continue t flip-flop all over the topic of discussion... what is wrong that you are unable to FOCUS on the topic and voice your points that YOU believe are truth of God's Word?
First, you say church service and worship service are made up by man, but Scripture again, proves you in spiritual error. Now you have jumped to say, God DOES NOT REQUIRE us to repent of our sins, only of our unbelief... and when one carefully reads GOD'S WORD OF TRUTH, you/they will find that the Gospel you preach is once again in BIG SPIRITUAL ERROR... Now what shall we say to these things?
QUESTION: Could this be caused by the fact that you DO NOT ATTEND CHURCH SERVICES, to hear the truth of God's Word being taught? And you are leaning to YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING of the Word without anyone to affirm or confirm what you THINK God is speaking?.. even the Apostle Paul had a teacher he studied under. I think this is your problem... what say you?
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 28 Sep, 2015 03:51 PM
Hi ET,
Am not flip flopping, I do not even wear them.
Here is the way GOD Almighty tells the believers How He wants to be Worthshipped, and How they are to be meeting.
This is so simple that even I understand what He says.
I will post the Word of GOD Almighty concerning this, then ask yourself DO I meet with others the way GOD Almighty would have me to meet, if not then leave and go where the people meet according to the Word of GOD.
26What then is it, brethren? whenever ye may come together, each of you hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation? let all things be for building up; 27if an [unknown] tongue any one do speak, by two, or at the most, by three, and in turn, and let one interpret; 28and if there may be no interpreter, let him be silent in an assembly, and to himself let him speak, and to God. 29And prophets � let two or three speak, and let the others discern, 30and if to another sitting [anything] may be revealed, let the first be silent; 31for ye are able, one by one, all to prophesy, that all may learn, and all may be exhorted, 32and the spiritual gift of prophets to prophets are subject, 33for God is not [a God] of tumult, but of peace, as in all the assemblies of the saints.
Why is it so hard for believers to meet according to what ABBA says in His Word,
Because men do not believe what GOD Almighty says about how to meet together.
Shalom
I will deal with repentance by starting a new message.
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 28 Sep, 2015 04:23 PM
George posted: I Corinthians 14: 26 What then is it, brethren? whenever ye may come together, each of you hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation? let all things be for building up; 27if an [unknown] tongue any one do speak, by two, or at the most, by three, and in turn, and let one interpret; 28and if there may be no interpreter, let him be silent in an assembly, and to himself let him speak, and to God. 29And prophets � let two or three speak, and let the others discern, 30and if to another sitting [anything] may be revealed, let the first be silent; 31for ye are able, one by one, all to prophesy, that all may learn, and all may be exhorted, 32and the spiritual gift of prophets to prophets are subject, 33for God is not [a God] of tumult, but of peace, as in all the assemblies of the saints.
Why is it so hard for believers to meet according to what ABBA says in His Word,
Because men do not believe what GOD Almighty says about how to meet together.
George, sorry, to inform you... but here in these passages you've posted above, Paul is NOT teaching how we are suppose to meet in worshipping the Lord... what Paul is doing here is REBUKING the Corinthian church for NOT HAVING ORDER IN THE WORSHIP SERVICES WHEN THEY DO MEET...
This is why he says Why is it that when you gather each one has something he/she wants to do or say they feel God has given them... but GOD IS A GOD OF ORDER, NOT OF CONFUSION!... ...which contradicts your thinking that if you have something to say or do during church worship service you should be able to do it, instead of the PASTOR always in control over the worship services, and others being in charge ... you think church services are pre-arranged... and they very well should be organized, if there is to be ORDER IN WORSHIP SERVICE... this is biblical even in the Old Testament,and even when Jesus comes, in the book of Revelation worshipservice is in ORDER BEFORE THE LORD... everybody willnot be doing thier own thing praising God... its called BEING IN ONE ACCORD, HAVING ALL THINGS IN COMMON... IN AGREEMENT!
Well, this is what Paul is speaking about in these passages, when he rebukes the Corinthian church, because they were OUT OF ORDER ... everybody thought they should have something to say or do during church worship.
But Paul is REBUKING the church for being out of order, NOT IN ORDER! Everybody wanted to sing, or speak, speak in tongues, or prophecy or whatever they felt God had given them, but Paul is letting them know this SHOULD NOT BE DONE in worship service, THIS IS NOT OF GOD... there should be ORDER, everybody can't do their own thing.
You are as I have stated misunderstanding God's Word, and leaning to your own understanding, this is why its so very important that YOU attend church services, Bible Study classes and Sunday School for a better understanding of the Word of Truth under a good teacher/pastor who rightly divides (speak) God's Word with spiritual knowledge and understanding.
I know you mean well, but you are waaaay off in understanding the truth of God's Word, in spiritual error.
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 28 Sep, 2015 05:11 PM
Hi Hark.
I do believe you had written this.
Of course I agree but I just wanted to add that this does not mean that we should sit back and be idle regarding our commission
Ja 2
20 But wilt thou understand, O thou vain man, that the faith which is without works, is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified through works, when he offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou not that the faith wrought with his works? and through the works was the faith made perfect.
23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that of works a man is justified, and not of faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified through works, when she had received the messengers, and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, even so the faith without works is dead.
Please do yourself a favor, and translate that section of the Word of GOD, do not take the translations of men as though the translation is the Word of GOD, as each and every translation has many errors due to the limitations of the languages to bring forth what ABBA is saying to us.
Yo will be surprised to find how the pastors are misleading the sheeple, and laying burdens upon them which Messiah will not do.
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 28 Sep, 2015 05:28 PM
LOL... George, I don't know what church you experienced this order of service in, but I would suggest you try attending another church for worship service where the service is NOT broken up into section or session...lol..
Nevertheless, I just found something for your edification on I Corinthians 14:26, plus you can also google for yourself commentaries or sermons on I Corinthians 14:26 ...
"One at a Time, Please: A Study of 1 Corinthians 14:26-39"
"What did first-century believers do in their worship meetings? The Bible gives us only a few glimpses into the details. Paul gives a description in 1 Corinthians 14:26: �When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation.� Every believer had a part to play, each according to the way that God had gifted them.
"Speaking in turn"
However, it seems that all the believers in Corinth wanted to use their gifts at the same time, and their meetings had become chaotic. One person was singing, another speaking in tongues, a third trying to deliver a message�but no one was listening to anyone else. Everyone was empowered to speak, and that was good. But when everyone spoke at once, the gifts were not producing the desired results.
So Paul gives them a basic principle: �Everything must be done so that the church may be built up.� Spiritual gifts are given for the common good (1 Cor. 12:7), and they should strengthen the church. People should be taught, and a sense of community should grow.
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 28 Sep, 2015 05:37 PM
Hi Ella,
SO very sorry, but i do not read commentaries, they are just the words of men, only the comments of men.
I will stick with the Word of GOD. That is the problem with the church, the self called pastors read the comments of men, quote the same men and place it in their sermon, and say they taught the people the Word of GOD, what a bad joke on the people.
Study to show yourself , not study anothers notes.
Response to "Church Service- Church Worship Service"
Posted : 28 Sep, 2015 07:52 PM
Oh my...Wowza...Wowza...Wowza...I have just witnessed (in reading the words posted) the manifestation of an Antagonistic :devil: Unteachable Spirit rear it's Ugly head and spew a temper tantrum.
Proverbs 15:31-33 (KJV)
31 The ear that heareth the reproof of life abideth among the wise.
32 He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.
33 The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.
