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What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 8 Apr, 2018 05:33 AM
Hello everyone:
Yes the Truth seeker is at it again, making people to THINK about what the Word of GOD Almighty actually has to say about this important subject.
In the Word of GOD Almighty, there are requirements for people that are to watch over the body of Messiah. These people have the responsibility to care for the spiritual growth of the people, and for the way they are to be meeting together.
IF the meeting of the saints is not according to the Word of GOD Almighty, then their meeting will be according to what man wants and will be lacking the presence and freedom the Holy Spirit brings.
1Co 14:23
Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad?
1Co 14:24
But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all;
1Co 14:25
the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.
1Co 14:26
What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
1Co 14:27
If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret;
1Co 14:28
but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God.
1Co 14:29
Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment.
1Co 14:30
But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent.
1Co 14:31
For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted;
1Co 14:32
and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets;
1Co 14:33
for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
1Co 14:34
The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
1Co 14:35
If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.
1Co 14:36
Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only?
1Co 14:37
If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord�s commandment.
1Co 14:38
But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
1Co 14:39
Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues.
1Co 14:40
But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner.
Elders:
1Peter 5:1
Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed,
1Peter 5:2
shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness;
1Peter 5:3
nor yet as lording it over those allotted to your charge, but proving to be examples to the flock.
What are the requirements for an Elder;
1Timothy 3:1
It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do.
1Timothy 3:2
An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
1Tim 3:3
not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money.
1Tim 3:4
He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity
1Tim 3:5
(but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the assembly of God?),
1Tim 3:6
and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil.
1Timothy 3:7
And he must have a good reputation with those outside the assembly, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Titus 1:4
To Titus, my true child in a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.
Titus 1:5
For this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you,
Titus 1:6
namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion.
Titus 1:7
For the overseer must be above reproach as God�s steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain,
Titus 1:8
but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled,
Titus 1:9
holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict.
Titus 1:10
For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision,
Titus 1:11
who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain.
These requirements are meant to be fulfilled in men not women, AND that a woman is not to have oversight of the body of believers.
What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 9 Apr, 2018 04:54 PM
GNWS for your enlightenment: Romans 13 Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow. For the policeman does not frighten people who are doing right; but those doing evil will always fear him. So if you don�t want to be afraid, keep the laws and you will get along well. The policeman is sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for he will have you punished. He is sent by God for that very purpose. Obey the laws, then, for two reasons: first, to keep from being punished, and second, just because you know you should.
Pay your taxes too, for these same two reasons. For government workers need to be paid so that they can keep on doing God�s work, serving you. Pay everyone whatever he ought to have: pay your taxes and import duties gladly, obey those over you, and give honor and respect to all those to whom it is due.
Pay all your debts except the debt of love for others�never finish paying that! For if you love them, you will be obeying all of God�s laws, fulfilling all his requirements. 9 If you love your neighbor as much as you love yourself you will not want to harm or cheat him, or kill him or steal from him. And you won�t sin with his wife or want what is his, or do anything else the Ten Commandments say is wrong. All ten are wrapped up in this one, to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Love does no wrong to anyone. That�s why it fully satisfies all of God�s requirements. It is the only law you need.
Another reason for right living is this: you know how late it is; time is running out. Wake up, for the coming of the Lord is nearer now than when we first believed.
The night is far gone, the day of his return[a] will soon be here. So quit the evil deeds of darkness and put on the armor of right living, as we who live in the daylight should! Be decent and true in everything you do so that all can approve your behavior. Don�t spend your time in wild parties and getting drunk or in adultery and lust or fighting or jealousy. But ask the Lord Jesus Christ to help you live as you should, and don�t make plans to enjoy evil.
What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 9 Apr, 2018 05:11 PM
Ella, i hear the anger in your voice thru your words. You desire a position that is not for a woman, thus fulfilling the curse GOD Almighty had spoken to Eve,Genesis 3 verse 16
To Eve, YOUR desire will be to your husband, this is a very bad translation as this has been changed by the translators.
'Your desire will be for your HUSBANDS position, but he will have dominion'.
GOD Almighty NEVER violates His word, as this would be sin(missing the mark).
When people do not meet according to the Word of GOD Almighty they SIN/miss the mark. What is the mark, The Word of GOD Almighty.
What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 9 Apr, 2018 05:20 PM
Ella, why is it so extremely hard for you to say, the Word of GOD Almighty is correct, and i have violated the princilpes concerning what GOD Almighty says about wanting to be above men by teaching them.
Instead you try to justify yourself, you argue and are angry at me because of the Word of GOD Almighty.
What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 9 Apr, 2018 05:34 PM
GNWS: "What is a licensed, ordained baptist evangelist.
Are these the requirements the 501C3 CORPORATION tax exempt status under Caesar want for the 'christians' in order to proclaim the Gospel.
Where in the Word of GOD Almighty will i be able to find these requirements.
Oh, i cannot, as these are what man requires, not GOD Almighty. That is why the 'church' is a business and not of GOD Almighty."
GNWS, All the apostle of Jesus Christ were ordained in the church, and again in case you missed this about paying taxes, I'll use another translation for your understanding, because I know you DID NOT READ THE FIRST ONE NOR DID YOU KNOW IT WAS IN THE BIBLE. I am ONLY wasting time with you because this is going nowhere, but I have a few minutes before my day is now, so I decided to engage with you on your topic... knowing full well, it only goes around in circles with you...
You inquired: "Where in the Word of GOD Almighty will i be able to find these requirements. Oh, i cannot, as these are what man requires, not GOD Almighty."
Well, there are other passages, but this should be enough... but with you nothing is enough because you always evade the truth with your own so-called truths: Romans 13- Submission to Governing Authorities: Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God�s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God�s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God�s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, �You shall not commit adultery,� �You shall not murder,� �You shall not steal,� �You shall not covet,� and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: �Love your neighbor as yourself.� Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh."
What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 9 Apr, 2018 05:36 PM
Have a great evening GNWS, prayerfully, you will read over your own thread and maybe...just maybe you will gain some spiritual wisdom and insight from the Lord. Good day!
What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 9 Apr, 2018 05:46 PM
At last, Ella who is a woman preacher in churches is responding to Scripture which condemns woman preachers in Churches in I Corinthians 14:34,35
Ella's Quotes:
GNWS... "Please explain what this passage means that you have quoted: 1 Corinthians 14:34 "The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. ."
"Also what "LAW" IS IN REFERENCE HERE THAT PAUL SPEAKS OF?..."
I Corinthians 14:34,35: {NIV}**WOMEN** should remain silent in the churches, They are not allowed **TO SPEAK**, but must be in submission, as the *LAW* says. If they want to inquire about anything, they should ask their husbands at home; for it is **DISGRACEFUL** for a **WOMAN** **TO SPEAK IN THE CHURCH**!!
Ella obviously challenging whether the law Paul is speaking of is OT Law or some law not in God's Word or **CHRIST'S LAW**.
Paul has stated about 14 times that we are no longer under the supervision of OT Law as per: Galatians 3:25: Paul was inspired by God to write: Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come we are **NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE {OT} LAW**!
I Corinthians 9:21: Paul said, "I am not free from God's law but am under **CHRIST'S LAW**!!"
Acts 22:14,15: Ananias said to Paul, "The God of our ancestors has chosen you to know **HIS WILL** and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from His mouth!! You will be **HIS WITNESS** to all people of what you have seen and heard!
Acts 20:27: Paul said, "For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the **WHOLE WILL OF GOD**!
God chose Paul to write 14 of the 27 books in the NT of **CHRIST'S LAW**! And God chose Paul to give the rules for teaching and preaching in the church by Elders, Overseers, Pastors and Teachers in I Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, I Corinthians 14 and Ephesians 4:11-24 and other places.
Some of these inspired writings include:
** WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY ABOUT THE PREACHING AND TEACHING OF MEN AND WOMEN IN THE CHURCH**??
Titus 1:6-9: An **ELDER** must be blameless, faithful to **HIS** wife, a **MAN** whose children believe... Since an **OVERSEER** manages God's household, **HE** must be blameless... **HE** must **HOLD FIRMLY** to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that **HE** can encourage others by **SOUND DOCTRINE and **REFUTE THOSE** WHO OPPOSE IT**.
I Timothy 5:17: The **ELDERS** who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of a double honor, especially those whose work is **PREACHING ** and **TEACHING**!
I Timothy 3:1 Whoever desires to be an **OVERSEER** desires a noble task. Now the **OVERSEER**is to be above reproach, faithful to **HIS** wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable and **ABLE TO TEACH**!!
I Timothy 2:11: A **WOMAN** should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a **WOMEN** **TO TEACH** or to assume authority **OVER A MAN**!
I Corinthians 15:34,35:**WOMEN** should remain silent in the churches, They are not allowed **TO SPEAK**, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about anything, they should ask their husbands at home; for it is **DISGRACEFUL** for a **WOMAN** **TO SPEAK IN THE CHURCH**!!
2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL** also wrote you with the **WISDOM GOD GAVE TO HIM**. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand {To unbelievers} which **IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT**, as they do other Scriptures, to their own **DESTRUCTION**!
I Timothy 3:16,17: All Scripture is **GOD-BREATHEED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead and in view of His appearing and His Kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD**; be prepared in season in out of season, correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear!!
I Peter 1:23-25: For you have been **BORN AGAIN**, not of perishable seed but the imperishable, through the living and enduring **WORD OF GOD**. For all people are like grass, and all their glory is like flowers in the field; the grass withers and the flowers fail, but the **WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER**!!
Apparently Ella has consistently for 32 years broken **CHRIST'S NT LAWS** in I Corinthians 14:34,35 and I Timothy 2:11 unless she can prove that these are not CHRIST'S NT LAWS**.
Ephesians 4:7,11-13: To each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it... It is **HE** {Not churches!} who gives some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up.
What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 9 Apr, 2018 05:53 PM
I did gain some insight. You continue to want a position that GOD Almighty clearly states in His word that ONLY a man is able to have.
Romans 13 the word Submit is a very poor translation.of the GREEK word hupotasso, which means to VOLUNTARILY place oneself under the authority of another.
If you had read further about the authority that does you good or well.
The 501C3 CORPORATION, tax exempt status was a trap for the 'church' people to buy their silence as to what the governments are doing.How is that, what are the two things people say we should not talk about. Yes that is right POLYTICKS, and what was that, oh yes your religion.
