Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 30 Dec, 2011 05:13 PM
For Christians because the Jews were required to keep it according to Levitical LAW of the Old Testament. So, since the Levitical Law was done away with by Christ's work on the cross, then so too, is the REQUIREMENT of tithes, or tithing all together for Christians. There is no example of tithing in New Testament Scripture to show that it was practiced by Christians within its proper context.
Do you agree?
If not, can you show me some New Testament verse where it says that a Christian must tithe 10%, please?
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 30 Dec, 2011 11:05 PM
agapeton, dearewst brother I would never try to catgorize you with george:ROFL: I was just saying that because it had come upbefore on the same topic! Like I said I dont know everything in the scriptures, my daddy knows it all though and he can direct me where to look and help me to understand I will ask him where it is in scripture, I will tell you this much the old testement is the new testement in types and shadows also Jesus made a comment about doing unto others for this is the law and the prophets , this to me is where we are bound to the old testement, jesus fullfilled the sacrifices and the other stuff they did, all the ceremoneyial washings and stuff, however I dont know of anywhere in the new testement it says we should stop giving! So if the word says to do it, and id doesnt say to stop doing it then we should keep on doing it! You see we are grafted n, the jews were chosen but they rejected God so now we (the gentles and Jews that are saved too) ar Gods chosen so I am just saying I dont even think at all we are not bound to the cobvenant, I believe that the new covenant is not a different one but the same covenant fullfilled though Christ, and like I said iots commone sence the bible dont tell me to brush my teeth or take a shower or wipe my hiney either but I do it, thithing is nessasary for us to have achurch to attend it is also nessacary for us to have anything to help others with, if folks like me didnt tithe then fthe people who want to keep all their hard earned money ( not the money God blessed them with) wouldnt have a place to go to church
I want to apoligize again for making you think I pu you in a group with george, I didnt mean that at all
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 30 Dec, 2011 11:25 PM
Elisha, no need to apologize for there is no wrong done.
But as far as the New Testament Scriptures are concerned, there is no verse in it to show that tithing was a standard practice, There are verses that most modern day churches use to back it but it is not Scriptural because the ones they use in the epistles of Paul are backed by the book of Acts when it shows that Paul was collecting money for the saints in Jerusalem because of a famine that occurred and the Gentile churches volunteered to give in support. It was a one time thing and NOT a continual practice.
As far as the Old Testament goes, it was strictly between God and the Jews. (Deu 5:1 And Moses summoned all Israel and said to them, "Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the rules that I speak in your hearing today, and you shall learn them and be careful to do them.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.) That covenant was said to have been done away with the ushering in a new one by Christ in Hebrews. (Heb 8:6 But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
Heb 8:8 For he finds fault with them when he says: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
Heb 8:9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more."
Heb 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. )
Now, Christ came to fulfill the Law and the prophets and He did just that. He completed them to the full. And that is why He made a New Covenant with us. That New Covenant has only one command as opposed to 10 of the old one. It is based on love. (Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. Joh 13:35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.)
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 04:37 AM
Jesus lived under the blessing of Abraham as does the church in christ and yes Jesus tithed.
Agapeton we are told not to approach the word of God carnally, that is exactly what you do, there is no believing in your statements.
According to you man should not breath for they did that in the old testament
.Heb 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
When man receives the Gift o the holy Ghost he then has this promise also.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 05:36 AM
Now, Christ came to fulfill the Law and the prophets and He did just that. He completed them to the full. And that is why He made a New Covenant with us. That New Covenant has only one command as opposed to 10 of the old one. It is based on love. (Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. Joh 13:35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.)
Bro,
Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets, not do away with them. We still need to follow the ten commandments, even though he summed them up in one. You are right about not following all the Levitical laws and ceremonies which some orthodox Jews still adhere to which is based on works rather than grace.
Regarding the tithe, I believe you are right on that one, as man has misinterpreted the word, so do many christians, pastors, teachers etc. they quote scripture out of context and bring their own interpretation for which they will be judged for leading the sheep astray.
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 06:00 AM
but there is nothing wrong with the tithe, and it does not create a burden, so whats up? there is no reason why we shpuldnt tithe, thats all Iam sayign however I still believe that we ae suposed to, but if I am wrong and I admit its possible so what there is nothing bad about it, in fact its a good thing to give to your church I personaly think its a greedy heart that is so concerned about giving God some of his money back!
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 07:52 AM
Agapeton,
My question to you as I have asked before to others who come up with a thread on tithing... WHAT'S IT TO YOU IF PEOPLE TITHE? They are not tithing to you, they are tithing to God, and this matter ain't your business or my business or no ones business, its a matter between God and the person who is tithing.
Some peron tithe once a week, some every two weeks, and some once a month. Its does n't matter if Abraham offered a one time tithe offering to the Lord, he also only fought a one time battle and made a profit, didn't he?
My point is this... what's it to YOU or anybody else who thtie, whether Christians are suppose to tithes, or how much they titthes?.. or what the church does with the tithe? You still cannot find a sciprute that says Christians are no longer to tithe and that thiting is a sin... so what's your beef with what Christians do in the church?
If you're not tithting that's your decision, but what busniness of your to say what anyone else si doing? God has never said tithing is a sin...
The Jews tithe offerings were to take care of the city of refuge and the priests and the poor, so if Christian tithe to take care of the church building, and the poor and whatevreit money is needed for in the church, what's your probl;em? Its not your money, and God isn't giving you the blessings for paying your tthes, so why are you complaining about Christians who tithe?. The church takes care of many things in ministry because fauithfull people pay their tithe offering.
If God is giving out the blessings and fulfilling His promises, who are you to hinder or speak against what God does,? You are no tgetting the tithe blessings, so maybe you should start tithing and watch the salvation of the Lord work in your favor, and see God filfilling His promise to you...
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 07:54 AM
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Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 04:37 AM
Jesus lived under the blessing of Abraham as does the church in christ and yes Jesus tithed.
Agapeton we are told not to approach the word of God carnally, that is exactly what you do, there is no believing in your statements.
According to you man should not breath for they did that in the old testament
ME: PJ, Again, bro You speak from ignorance and will be ignored, brother. I've not met a man so condescending as you. Do you even know how to read something within context?
Heb 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
Heb 7:2 and to him Abraham apportioned a tenth part of everything. He is first, by translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then he is also king of Salem, that is, king of peace.
Heb 7:3 He is without father or mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but resembling the Son of God he continues a priest forever.
Heb 7:4 See how great this man was to whom Abraham the patriarch gave a tenth of the spoils!
Heb 7:5 And those descendants of Levi who receive the priestly office have a commandment in the law to take tithes from the people, that is, from their brothers, though these also are descended from Abraham.
Heb 7:6 But this man who does not have his descent from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
Heb 7:7 It is beyond dispute that the inferior is blessed by the superior.
Heb 7:8 In the one case tithes are received by mortal men, but in the other case, by one of whom it is testified that he lives.
Heb 7:9 One might even say that Levi himself, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham,
Heb 7:10 for he was still in the loins of his ancestor when Melchizedek met him.
Heb 7:11 Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.
When man receives the Gift o the holy Ghost he then has this promise also.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
May I ask WHY YOU MISQUOTED John 16 when it has nothing to do with this subject, brother? I'm praying for you, PJ. May the Lord of lights brighten your path, brother.
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 08:05 AM
And yes, we are to ask questions and test the spirit even of those who are asking the questions, for their intent and purposes of testing and asking questions...
But if no one is having a problem with tithing, what's the purpose of asking the question about their practice, if it is NOT A SIN... we are only to test the spirit of those those that may or may not be of God, and are of the devil... I dont think tithing fit under that catagory.
You are only providing information about what man has written about the practice of tithing, but you still have not provided any biblcial information where in God says not to tithe, or that it is a sin and wrong.. for the law is good and holy and when Jesus came He did not do away with the law, but only the law of rituals and ceremonial laws, because He has become our sacrifice...
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 08:08 AM
As Agapeton has alluded to:
The 'TITHE' has been done away with in Yeshua,even as the Old Covenant has been made odsolete.
Hebrews 8:13
(KJV) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(KJV+) In that he saith,G3004 A newG2537 covenant, he hath made the first old.G3822 G3588 G4413 NowG1161 that which decayethG3822 andG2532 waxeth oldG1095 is ready to vanish away.G1451 G854
(LITV) In the saying, New, He has made the first old. And the thing being made old and growing aged is near disappearing.
(YLT) in the saying `new,' He hath made the first old, and what doth become obsolete and is old is nigh disappearing.
English-Obsolete
Greek-palaio�
palaio�: to make or declare old
Original Word: παλαιόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: palaio�
Phonetic Spelling: (pal-ah-yo'-o)
Short Definition: I make old, declare obsolete
Definition: I make old, declare obsolete; pass: I grow old, become obsolete.
The 'TITHE' today is loaded upon the shoulders of the heares as a means of bringing the people back under the Old Covenant law.
The responsibilty for the upkeep of the temple was placed upon the people by way of the tithe.
Today the upkeep of the 'TEMPLE' / church building is once again laid upon the people through the tithes.
The modern LEVITES / PRIESTS / senior pastors / pastors / leaders,these men take from the top a SALARY and benefits,some even take for housing from these tithes..
Not every single person does this.
In Philly,we had 3 elders which worked full time jobs,
They had families.
They also taught,counseled and had personal relationships with the people in the fellowship.
They did not teach anything about tithing,they did teach that
'YHWH loves a cheerful giver'.
Meet the needs of others.
In the Old Covenant Isaac gave tithes while in the loins of Abraham.
The Believers in Yeshua have given tithes in Yeshua.
There is no teachings on tithing after the death of Yeshua within the New Covenant,for Yesuha fulfilled the Tithe.
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 08:09 AM
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Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 05:36 AM
Now, Christ came to fulfill the Law and the prophets and He did just that. He completed them to the full. And that is why He made a New Covenant with us. That New Covenant has only one command as opposed to 10 of the old one. It is based on love. (Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. Joh 13:35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.)
Bro,
Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets, not do away with them. We still need to follow the ten commandments, even though he summed them up in one. You are right about not following all the Levitical laws and ceremonies which some orthodox Jews still adhere to which is based on works rather than grace.
ME: Sister, If you look at the Greek text within the verse of Mat 5:17-18 Jesus fulfilled them ALL BY LIVING THEM OUT AND DYING ACCORDING TO THEM. He was the complete embodiment of them. Even He said that the time would not pass away until he fulfilled every bit of it, Hence His statement on the cross, "It is finished."
Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Now, concerning the 10 commandments, Hebrews strictly says that they are done away with. (Heb 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. )
Should we go back to following the Sabbath when Scripture says otherwise, sister? (Col 2:13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,
Col 2:14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
Col 2:15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.
Col 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.)
Regarding the tithe, I believe you are right on that one, as man has misinterpreted the word, so do many christians, pastors, teachers etc. they quote scripture out of context and bring their own interpretation for which they will be judged for leading the sheep astray.
ME: Thanks. I'm glad that you are seeing what the text says. I'm not here to say who is wrong or what should be the right order of worship but I am here to challange the brethren to see according to Scripture and challenge the believer to refocus on what the Word says and what man says on such traditions that we believers live by today.
