our church services at shiloh ministrries full gospel church
Posted : 4 Jan, 2012 08:33 PM
So many people now are making posts about how a church service is conducted, and comparing the services to the first church! I personaly dont know that much about how the st century church worshiped but I an tell yall how my church worships and its nothing like the thread agapeton posted or maybe it was george I am startiung to get them mixed up like I used to get awm mixed up with george:ROFL:GO FIGURE
anyway, when we get to church and sit down the pastor gives the acouncements like revivals coming up and so forth, then he calls up the choir wich consists of anyone in the congrigation who wants to get up and sing and lead the congrigation in hyms, then we sit down and sis toby sings a song or 2 and anyone who wants to get up and sing alone is encourgaed to sing they do not need prior permission or practice if hey want to sing they can! Then she turns it over to the pastor then he asks if anyone has anyone to say for the lord, or a testimony to share or a word of encoragment!
aftwer that he usualy will go into his message, so at this time if it is sunday we sit still and listen but on wedsnday nights we are encoraged to join in and have a discussion! So after the messgae oh I forgot that we do pray before the message is given we pray right after he reads the scripture and we also stand when he reads the scripture then we pray WE PRAY!!! opk then after the message is given he may give an alter call, then (whether oir not their is an alter call) he asked if anyone needs special prayer and we then go up and get prayed for , for whatever reason or we may "stand in" for someone else that may be sick or need salvation now if someone is sick but unsaved we pray for their salvation thats what is importent!
Now after that we have a book that has prayer requests in it, we then pray over that book and when prayers in that book are answered we wright it down next to the original request we wright prayer answeerd! Now after that if its wedsnady we are dismessed in prayer and then we stand arouns a little and talk lioke every other church, but if it is sunday this is when the offerning is taken up! We do not take up tithes and offering anytime except sunday and if we have som speacial service like we had a singing for a little girl with cancer we took up an offring biut every single bit was given to that girsl family, now we had a very good singoing group come my uncle glenn sings for them they are very good but they got nothng to come they volonteered their time and every penny went to that girl and her family not much about 750 dollars but thats a whole lot when your broke and struggling!
we also have box in the church for food we bring can goods and it is giving out to people saved or unsaved whoever has need!
Now I dont see anything wrong with the way we conduct our services, oh we also stay after church lots Nand lots of times and eat together as a family we have pizza or hot dogs or sometimes a coverd dish we do eat together a lot, we also (my church family) spend time together outside of church my pastors wife is my best friend we do things togethr but not just me but the whole church we all spend time togethr alk on the phone and pray for eachother even on tuesday and saturdays, we are not just family sunday and wedsnsday, but all week long!
I am just trying to give yall an idea of how we all do it, since so much speculation has been made
our church services at shiloh ministrries full gospel church
Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 11:57 AM
Ella writes
PJ... Please don't argue with Georeg, he has no idea what he is talkign about. He has need to go and read the book of Acts and all of Paul's letters starting with Romans.
He is from one thing to another, he has the wrong answer on every corner he stands as Paul teaches arguing with those such as George is USELESS AND PROFITS NOT ONE THING!
Noticed, He still hasn't come up with an answer to what I presented to him about Paul rebuking the church at Corinth becasue everybody was speakign out of term when theye were being ministered to by the leaders. he keep using the passages but has no understanding as to what Paul is saying in his rebuke to the church for their DISORDER DURING WORSHIP SERVICE...
George you should consider this:�Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. For rebellion is like the sin of divination (witchcraft), and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, he has rejected you as king.�
The Farmer
First Ella,Ican see that you are a controlling person,even a control freak.
You want to control PEEJ,by sayintha pjshould not be talking with me.
What you want to be doing wih PJ,men are doing he same thing with the people that meet together.
This is what the 'church' is like,a group of people controlled by a few men.
The Letter to the Corinthians was not just about establishing Biblical of the Order of the Meeting.
This letter was also written to keep the people from being taken over by the Nicolaitans / Clergy .
Each person first needs to understand who Yeshua is,and what He is like.
Then they need to be understanding who they are, being kings and preists of the Most High GOD,in Yeshua.
There is also a need to have an orderly meeting according to the Biblical Principles.
our church services at shiloh ministrries full gospel church
Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 12:02 PM
To shalom:
I believe this i yours
Thanks for sharing about your church service Elisha. It is hard to find a church like yours. I think what Agapeton is getting at is how the believers are supposed to be able to participate more and it shouldn't just be a one man show. I myself would just like to find a small bible study where we meet, study the word, discuss it and pray.
The Farmer
Praise Yeshua for the insight to your needs which the Holy SPirit has revealed to you shalom.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS,this is where close intimate relationships begin and grow.
People can see how the Holy Spirit has empowered others unto the things of YHWH,this is vey hard in the so-called MEGA places of death.
our church services at shiloh ministrries full gospel church
Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 12:25 PM
To ella:
I do believe that you dropped this on your way to play
'church'.
ella writes
PJ... Please don't argue with Georeg, he has no idea what he is talkign about. He has need to go and read the book of Acts and all of Paul's letters starting with Romans.
He is from one thing to another, he has the wrong answer on every corner he stands as Paul teaches arguing with those such as George is USELESS AND PROFITS NOT ONE THING!
Noticed, He still hasn't come up with an answer to what I presented to him about Paul rebuking the church at Corinth becasue everybody was speakign out of term when theye were being ministered to by the leaders. he keep using the passages but has no understanding as to what Paul is saying in his rebuke to the church for their DISORDER DURING WORSHIP SERVICE...
George you should consider this:�Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. For rebellion is like the sin of divination (witchcraft), and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, he has rejected you as king.�
Farmer
I continue seeing a pattern with your posts and replies to myself.
You have this desire to fulfill the Word of YHWH to EVE.
Genesis 3:16
(KJV) Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
(KJV+) UntoH413 the womanH802 he said,H559 I will greatlyH7235 multiplyH7235 thy sorrowH6093 and thy conception;H2032 in sorrowH6089 thou shalt bring forthH3205 children;H1121 and thy desireH8669 shall be toH413 thy husband,H376 and heH1931 shall ruleH4910 over thee.
(LITV) He said to the woman, I will greatly increase your sorrow and your conception; you shall bear sons in sorrow, and your desire shall be toward your husband; and he shall rule over you.
(YLT) Unto the woman He said, `Multiplying I multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow dost thou bear children, and toward thy husband is thy desire, and he doth rule over thee.'
All three of these tanslations have this Scripture wrong.
The correct understanding is this.
YHWH says to EVE as part of the curse
'Your desire will be for your husbands position'.
Does this not speak of you ella,you desire to LORD over men.
Yes it does,when i look at your current posts,just today.
I will not bring up the past ones.
Please do not be telling me what to read,nor How i should be believing the Word of YHWH.
When the Holy Spirit (Not You ella) convicts me of wrong,then He will empower me to confess the wrong (sin) and YHWH will grant to me Grace as a GIFT unto repentance.
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Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 12:29 PM
YHWH says to EVE as part of the curse
'Your desire will be for your husbands position'.
Does this not speak of you ella,you desire to LORD over men.
Yes it does,when i look at your current posts,just today.
I will not bring up the past ones.
Please do not be telling me what to read,nor How i should be believing the Word of YHWH.
When the Holy Spirit (Not You ella) convicts me of wrong,then He will empower me to confess the wrong (sin) and YHWH will grant to me Grace as a GIFT unto repentance.
Shalom
The Farmer
This response is one of Gross error, and one born of strife with the word of God and the spirit of God
Btw the way The spirit of God does not convict of sin..., in the life of a christian.
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Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 01:56 PM
agapeton, you dont make any sence, so as you woulkd say to my brother pj i am ignoring you! all you do is try to stir up stuff abou things your are ignorant about, reason it with the flesh you call a brain all you want to, i dont know you and thats fine however I knownwho i trust and it aint you, you have not shaken on ehting that I believe , my oint still is and alwasy has been that you say that holyieness is not required so if you think you can get saved and still live in your sin and just be lovin it, then your salvation is in question, or you should be questioning it. So as long as you defend sin, then I would say I am not listening to you, as that seems to mbe what you andgeorge do, defend sin! have at it I will continue in the faith , btw in the scriptures it says abrahams faith was made perfect, perfect by what dop you remember?/ OBEDIENCE that is the evidence of your faith the outwqard sign that you are saved is your obedience, I was not trying to fdefend speakng in topunges as it would be useless to defend it as you are yet carnel would be a waste of my time
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Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 03:10 PM
Elisha, you said: "you say that holyieness is not required so if you think you can get saved and still live in your sin and just be lovin it, then your salvation is in question, or you should be questioning it. So as long as you defend sin, then I would say I am not listening to you, as that seems to mbe what you andgeorge do, defend sin!"
Where and when did i ever say any of this to you in a topic, IM, or inbox? Can you please tell me where you got this from, please?
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Posted : 5 Jan, 2012 05:42 PM
I dont know agopeton,incase you havent noticed my memory isnt much good when it comes to specifics, bnut I do know that somewhere I dgot the idea that ou were on georges page the page that says hollienesss and abstaining from sin wasnt important!I dont remember specificaly becaus my memory is shot from drugs but I didnt just come up with it out of thin air, I know you gave nme the impression I just have burtn out my short term memory with drugs! I wil search your history and figure out where I got it from and get back to you, it is possible I am confusing you with george again as yall seem to have the same opibnions on many things
