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Agapeton

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IF Jesus was so against the idea of corporate worship..
Posted : 9 Jan, 2012 06:32 PM

Then WHY are we in Christ SO DEAD SET against Him by going back to what he came to change?



Has it dawned on anyone that Jesus Christ was a REVOLUTIONARY teacher - radical prophet - provocative preacher - contraversialist - iconoclast - and the biggest opponent of the religious establishment?



Granted, Our Lord is loving and non judgmental with us, His Bride, BUT He did NOT COMPROMISE with the TRADITIONS that His people were held CAPTIVE by. He constantly defied the traditions of the Scribes and Pharisees. The Pharisees were those who, for the sake of their own truth, tried to cover up the truth they couldn't see. That is why Jesus always went up against the "traditions of the elders".



Jesus healed on the Sabbath. He healed a blind man by mixing clay and spittle and putting it on his eyes. He ate with unwashed hands. All of these were man's traditions according to how one should conduct, worship, and live as a God fearing man. Jesus came to do away with that.





When Christ came, He did away with religious rituals, clergy, and sacred buildings. This was strictly followed by Christianity for the first 300 years knowing the only sacred building that was raised up was Christ's body, and then later His body, the assembly of saints. When Christ was here He said that no one would worship in, or on a geographical location anymore.





So with this in mind, I ask you:



Why was it SO important to change this formula knowing that the only building we dwell in is the Spiritual one and still take pride and push the material building that we sit in?





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IF Jesus was so against the idea of corporate worship..
Posted : 10 Jan, 2012 07:44 AM

Its a religious spirit and stronghold in peoples minds of how things should and should not be done. Whom the son sets free,they shall be free indeed.

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Posted : 10 Jan, 2012 08:37 AM

Hey Sal:



No,i do not believe the people will understand what it is to have the Holy Spirit leading the Worship of the King of Glory.



As long as they continue holding onto the teachings of men.



Remember FEAR is powerful.



Fear can either immobilze you,and do nothing about the problems in the body.



Or it can motivate you to go forward,and even move on when necessary.



Shalom

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Posted : 10 Jan, 2012 08:43 AM

Hey Shalom:



Exactly,most people have never experienced the real true freedom in Yeshua.



A person in prison can think they are free,because they cell door is never closed,Yet that person is still confined.



People in 'the church' have the cell door open,they arrive,pay their dues.

Have coffee and cake,have some entertainment.

Listen to someone tall over them (Not talk with them).



Yet there is no personal involvement,no presonal responsibility

to read and study the Word of YHWH themselves.





They are bound by the traditions and teachings of men.





Shalom

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Posted : 10 Jan, 2012 08:51 AM

George your statement was actually of one, by one that lives under the traditions of men.



Simply put the traditions of men is men in the flesh adding to or taking away from the word of God as they will.



Here are two examples.



Mt 15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

Mt 15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

Mt 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Mt 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

Mt 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Mt 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of me



Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Gen 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

Gen 4:3 � And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

Gen 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

Gen 4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.



You will find further explanation of this in Jude and 1st peter.

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IF Jesus was so against the idea of corporate worship..
Posted : 10 Jan, 2012 09:15 AM

George the fredom that we enjoy is not freedom to do whatever we want, yet frredom from the bondgae of sin, not freedom to continue in sin! Freedom from the burdens of sin! and we who attend a local church most certainly do know we are responsible to read and study ourselfs I dont know where you get this half whitted ideas about what we do and dont do! I rea every day inmy bible and nobody talks over me in the church! You will have a master in this life people called Jesus master, that does not suggest the sort of freedom you speak of! We are free from bondage of sin but not free to sin if Jeus is our master then satan and the world no longer are!

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Posted : 10 Jan, 2012 05:46 PM

To elisha:



Which part of these words are WE not understanding





EVERY ONE of YOU

EACH one of YOU

EACH of you



1 Corinthians 14:26



(KJV) How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.



(KJV+) HowG5101 isG2076 it then,G3767 brethren?G80 whenG3752 ye come together,G4905 every oneG1538 of youG5216 hathG2192 a psalm,G5568 hathG2192 a doctrine,G1322 hathG2192 a tongue,G1100 hathG2192 a revelation,G602 hathG2192 an interpretation.G2058 Let all thingsG3956 be doneG1096 untoG4314 edifying.G3619



(LITV) Then what is it, brothers? When you come together, each one of you has a psalm, he has a teaching, he has a language, he has a revelation, he has an interpretation. Let all things be for building up.



(YLT) What then is it, brethren? whenever ye may come together, each of you hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation? let all things be for building up;



When the saints meet together,the meeting is dependant upon the relationship each person has with Yeshua,not on the so-called pastor ,or worship team.





Shalom

Farmer

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Posted : 10 Jan, 2012 05:50 PM

George you do not a psalm, you do not have a doctrine, etc,etc, etc,



This relative to believers that have received the gift of the holy Ghost you are not fooling any body.



The holy spirit also will not be part of any rebellion.

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Posted : 14 Jan, 2012 07:33 AM

To Dr.Phil



PEEj;I believe you threw this at me.

George you do not a psalm, you do not have a doctrine, etc,etc, etc,



This relative to believers that have received the gift of the holy Ghost you are not fooling any body.



The holy spirit also will not be part of any rebellion



Me

When then will you 'CONFESS your rebellion,and rebellious spirit,receieve Grace unto repentance and ' REPENT' of your rebellous nature.



Shalom

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