OK just want some opinons and I am gonna give yall mine up front so you dont feel like I tricked you into a debate in which I dont agree with you in, asw many I have seen do ask an opinion then attack you on every reason why your opinion is wrong,
so the question I have is what do you think about satan? can he make people rich and give things that can be mistaken as blessings such as cars, money, houses riches and so forth?
and my opinion is that Yes he most deifnatly can and does make peole rich and powerful we must remember that he is the god of this world that implys a certain amount of power in this world he has no power over us (believers) as God has ultimate power over everything and the ones that are his are protected from satan, however job had that hedge around him as well and in a time of testing the Lord removed Jobs hedge, I dont now to what extent the Lord will let satan do things but I do kow this satan is at work and he does have power and for those who arent saved and bllo bought satan is more powerful than they are the only thing that gives us power over him is the Blood o Jesus other wise he has more power over the human race than they hace over themselfs this is evident in things like drug addiction when satan has complete power over a persons life! Satan also has the abilty to make people wealthy, you see if people think they ae in need of nothing then they will never see their need for the Lord and therefor satan has them in his greips!
this is just my opinion but you know what they say about opinions!
Yes PJ I am blonde but I can and do thnk if I didnt think then God wasted flesh on making me a brain and a mind to think with, the word says we are to gaurd our thoughts take them into captivity making sure they are in obedience but it doesnt say anywhere that we are to quit thinking thats crazy and thats not what it says if you just rely on your heart and you dont use your mind at all that is a lack of wisom and I realize that you may be participating in what my pastor calls hyperfaith movemet like faith christian family chuch in PCB florida the pasor there has the most squar foot house of anyone in that county he also has manipulated many of his congrigation members to sign over everything they own down to their retirment to the church which he owns and his house btw is 30'000 sq ft and I grew up with a little girl whos mamma fell victim to this man eho still has a big church there and they ended up living in an efficiancy by the week 1 room apartment in 1993 I was 18 ans she was 15 they couldnt afford a christmas tree I almost got arrested for stealing her one (wasnt saved) Becaseu he mamma had given everything they had even their home to this preacher who claims a prosperity gospel its evil and thats all hter is to it these people are brain washed into believing if they give money and things they dont have God wil definatly bless them so they are giving with the wrong heart and spirit therefor they get nothing and end up broke and with a loss of faith these preachers or should I say hirelings will answer for the ones they have lead astray
Ok I stand corrected oastor markus bishops house at one time was the largest in bay couny may not be now but it is over 10,000 sq ft not 30,000 and his church folded last year I wasnt aware allthough I did see where he had another church him and his wife he was arested for beating over in the eastern side of the county in a city named callawy (where I grew up:devil:)here is an article and just a little tid bit taste of the taste I have in my mouth with the so called prosperity doctrine and bishop was pushing it too buddy till he got what he was asking for, he manipualted many many people who truly needed the lord
here is the artice
PANAMA CITY BEACH � Faith Christian Family Church is in foreclosure and the disputed parsonage for Pastor Markus Bishop is still mired in litigation, The News Herald learned this week.
Faith Christian Family Church will be sold May 26 in a foreclosure auction unless church officials pay SunTrust Bank $2,924,126.71, court records show.
Suntrust loaned the church $2.8 million in August 2008, taking the deed on the church at 13300 Back Beach Road as collateral, court records show.
The church�s pastor, Markus Bishop, signed off on the deal and gave his title as �President of Faith Christian Family Church of Panama City Beach, Inc., a Florida Non-Profit Corporation.�
According to Suntrust, Faith Christian has not made a payment on the loan since October 2010. In February, the company started foreclosure proceedings.
�Client relationships are confidential. We�ll decline to comment on them,� SunTrust spokesman Mike McCoy said Thursday. �We do make every effort to avoid foreclosure and view it as an action of last resort.�
Faith Christian�s attorney, Mitch Dever, declined to comment on the situation. Attempts to contact Bishop were unsuccessful Thursday.
Dever did file a motion to dismiss the case March 31, but that failed.
In the motion, Dever wrote it is unclear �who owns the fictitious name, SunTrust Bank. � There are numerous different entities using the fictitious name, SunTrust Bank. Unfortunately, based upon the pleadings, it is unclear as to who is the real party in interest.�
Meanwhile, Bishop and his church still are involved with another lawsuit over his home.
Bishop currently owes $321,915.65 in back taxes and fines on his 10,410-square-foot, five-bedroom, six-bath home, officials at the property appraiser�s office said Thursday. The property has tennis courts, a swimming pool and a four-car garage and is located miles from the church in a gated community.
However, Faith Christian sued the Bay County Property Appraiser's Office in 2004 when it refused to grant Bishop�s home tax exemption status as a parsonage. The lawsuit went to mediation on Good Friday two years ago but nothing came of the mediation, officials with the property appraiser�s office said. The case remains unresolved.
A sign outside the church states that services are held Sunday at 10 a.m. and 6 p.m. and Wednesday at 7 p.m.
*note* notice how it said he was trying to have his 10,000 sq ft home made a tax free parsinege, does that sound like the gospel at work?
Yes thats what I said I think, whats wrong with that? If you dont thnk then you cant do anything? PJ without thiking you cant even tie your shoes, and yeah markus bishop is a theif and gives christians a bad name.
You have yet to give any scripture that backs up what you claim PJ about prosperity and giving with the intention of recieving even the fact that I have to debate this with you makes me wonder??? Your intentions should always be obedience and pleasing God so prosperity is a mute point if you are wanting to please God it dont matter if you prosper or not and you wont ever just give only to expect something back that is the exact oppoisit of what the word says, and PJ please dont get me mixed up with the carismatic movement and the churches with the "worship teams" and so on I dont say much about it cause it dont matter to much but I think that is all flesh flesh flesh people dancing coriorgraphed and waving flags thats not what worship should be, the thought of it grievs my spirit its like they are wanting to stir up the same emotions that get stired up at a rock concert and call it the holy ghost and prais and worship bands??/ UGHHHHthat just sounds too wordly from the get go. A old fashioned church choir with an old fashioned hym book is fine with me no reason to stir up his od rotten flesh let it die so God can move and do what He wants to do just dont buy into it I attend an old fashioned full gospel church we have mayn truly spirit filled members but for those who are not we pray for them and encorage them to seek the babtism but we dont tell them to just sart speaking intounges, thats opposit, I have gooten way off base but I just get the feeling that somepeople had gotten me mixed up in something I am not and dont want to be a part of penbteostal doesnt nesasarly mean what some think it means we do not play anything ressembling rock music the harde rock we play is singing songs by the crabb family, I am as old fashioned as they come and I dont think the flesh has anything to offer a church service
Elisha your post is no different and what you have said is no different, than you just posted, it does not matter what that person it is not to be publized as you did, and then shared in the sin.
In otherwords you think money makes the lord nervous.
Gen 12:1 � Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father�s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Gen 12:4 � So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
Gen 12:5 And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother�s son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.
Gen 12:6 � And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.
7 And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.
Gen 12:16 And he entreated Abram well for her sake: and he had sheep, and oxen, and he asses, and menservants, and maidservants, and she asses, and camels.
Gen 13:2 And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold.
Gen 13:6 And the land was not able to bear them, that they might dwell together: for their substance was great, so that they could not dwell together.
Gen 13:14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
Gen 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
Gen 14:14 And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan.
Gen 14:23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
Gen 14:24 Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.
Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
Gen 15:23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
Gen 15:24 Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.
Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
If you will follow it out you will find out Abraham coninued to increase in wealth.
Btw the way you totally missed why the Israelite where in the dessert, the would not accept the Gospel.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Gal 4:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Gal 4:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Gal 4:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Gal 4:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
Gal 4:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Gal 4:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Gal 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Gal 4:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
Gal 4:16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
Gal 4:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
Gal 4:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
Gal 4:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Gal 5:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Gal:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
It would be wise to be still instead of disputing what the gospel is, that is a good way to open yourself wide open to Satan.
PJ cause you call it sin doesnt make it sin, if it was gossip maybe it would be sin or an asumption what I said is a fact and what I posted was a news report if he had been a man of God who just slipped up like jimmy swaggart and was repwenting and just fell into a trap it would be different but this man SET OUT to rob people he is not a man of God I say that with confidence if I thought there was a shred of him that had right intentions I wouldnt say this, he is merely a scam zrtist dressed up in preachers clothes and stating the truth about markus bishop doesnt make it sin! If all it was was that he had a big house it would be different however he had a 10000 dollar house that he wanted to be a parsanage, thats crazy and you know it, you just want to dispute what I am proclaming because it goes against what you think is right, but PJ GREED is a sin any way you lkook at it and by reposting a news article and sharing how this man stole my friends child hood and how she eventualy got pregnant and lives in the projects and last I heard was a crack head because of the life she was forced to lie is NOT SIN< no matter how many times you call it sin doesnt make it sin PJ you can tell me I have purple skin and I drive a sky balloon but that dont make it so
So because financialy I am poor poverty level even I am doing something wrong? no I dont think so God blesses for a reason for fullfill his will and plans for our life but someone poor can bhe just as saved as someone rich its not a measure of how saved anyone is thats crazy, poor people can be saved too and all I have ever said is its wrong to give WITH THE INTENT OF REAPPING THE HARVEST (*of money)_ thats wrong it makes your heart wrong thats not why we are to give I dont know why PJ cant just accept that one truth its not right to use the lord as a way to get rich
