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What Does The Father and The Lord Jesus Say Concerning The Gift Of The Holy Spirit.
Posted : 18 Feb, 2012 11:55 PM
Mt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mr 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Lu 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Lk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 10:44 � While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Those that believe The word of God concerning receiving The Holy Spirit and receive the word of God will speak with tongues.
What Does The Father and The Lord Jesus Say Concerning The Gift Of The Holy Spirit.
Posted : 20 Feb, 2012 11:45 AM
Agapeton said: ET, as I said to you before. Women are NOT TO TEACH because they can be deceived
Ella says: And I say to you AGIAIN ... AGAPETON, you are in God's business, You didn't called me into ministry nor was it your grace that gave me the word of truth, nor can you tell me what to do whith what God given to me... and if God was pleased, then He should have not given me the spiritual insight and knowledge that I do have in the gospel.
Also Agepaton, as I've also told YOU, YOU CAN'T TEACH WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE YOU YOURSELF ARE DECEIVED TO THINK YOU HAVE the spiritual insight of God's word to teach, that YOU SAY GOD HAS GIVEN TO YOU... but you keep proving it over and over on this forum that this may not be the truth of the case... YOU can't being rightly divide the word or connect the dots of scripture.
So it looks like YOU are the one who is deceived through your own conceit and lack of spiritual knowledge and understanding, thinking you are called to be a teacher... I ask a teacher of WHAT??? and what is the spiritual proof and the FACT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN CALLED TO BE A TEACHER! What spiritual leader has affirmed you as a teacher of God's word... this is how God works, you can't affirm yourself and called yourself a teach, this is how we get flase teachers, they have no spiritual counselr or mentor to affrim their call, and this is how it worked and happend throughotu God's word, even so God affirmed and the Holy Spirit witnessed...
I have been affrimed by God and the holy Spirit as my witness, adn He is the one how gave me His word of truth for such a time as this... to CORRECT YOUR ERROR IN THE WORD, So fi you have aproblem, take to the Lord in prayer, and see what he has to say.
If you KNEW THE SCRIPTURES YOU WOULD KNOW THE ANSWERS TO Your own silly 5 questions... but since I AM A TEACHER OF GOD'S WORD OF TRUTH, let me help you out here, so your MOUTH will not contiue to condemn YOU... you ask becasue YOU DON"T KNOW the ANSWERE YOURSELF.
When Jesus first started to send out the disciples hwom he ordianed and called them apostles, He either LAID HANDS ON THEM, or SPOKE A WORD TO THEM... why was this? BECAUSE JESUS HAD NOT FIRSTLY BEEN CRUCIFIED, AND SECONDLY, WHEN HE BREATH ON THEM HE HAD NOT ASCENDED INTO THE HEAVEN AFTER HIS RESURRECTIONS, so BEFORE HE ASCENDED He empowered the apotles and FILLED them with the Holy Spirit because He would no longer physically be with them, and had not appeared before the Father, and the Father had not sent His Holy Spirit back to earth.
Therefore, Jesus breathed (FILLED) the apostles with the power of the Holy Spirit so they could continue doing the works of the Commison He had commanded them to do.
And On the day of Pentacost, the apostles were waiting as Jesus had told them, but they had no idea when the Holy Spriti would come, but during their prayers, He came and permanantly BAPTIZED them with His power giving them spiritual gifts for the work of the ministry.
I know you don't know this since I have been given the spirutal gift of teaching, I have no choice but to explain, since you as what you called a teacher have no idead spiritual as to what the passages mean that you have posted...
What I speak lines up with what God speaks which proves whatI say, you have expressed nothing but self doubt, becasue you DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH OR HAVE THE SPIRITUAL INSIGHT OR UNDERSTANDING OF GOD'S WORD, SO YOU DENY, JUDGE AND CONDEMN WHAT I SAY, YET YOU CAN'T FIND A PASSAGE THAT LINES UP WITH your own foolish questions, cuz you yourself seek answers in the midst of your own slef teachings without any spiritual mentor or counselor to affirm whta you THINK God has said and is saying.
So you tell me whose the real teacher here? You dare me not to defend my call into minirty by God, as Pau had to do, and you sure do not have the power not even in the word of truth to shut me up, becasue you have no idea as to what was going on when Paul made such a comment, just as you have no idea as to what is going on in what is written... LISTEN AND LEARN!
God said He would pour His Spirit upon all flesh and WOMEN, not YOUR spirit or your word, which you do not have a word to be carried.
So your arguement is not with me, but with God, and the fact that I speak the truth and correct your ERROR IN THE WORD, ismore than your small ego can bear!..
You answer of what I speak is truth or not/? That's the question, which you can't do therfore, your defense as I said beofre, is to attack somethng you have no lcue about... get a grip Buddd! You ain't God's right hand man in His word!
What Does The Father and The Lord Jesus Say Concerning The Gift Of The Holy Spirit.
Posted : 20 Feb, 2012 11:55 AM
Agapeton, you have serious need to take on the humility as Apollos... but then you may not know just who Apollos is... and I bet you think Priscilla and Aquila were twins...:ROFL:
What Does The Father and The Lord Jesus Say Concerning The Gift Of The Holy Spirit.
Posted : 20 Feb, 2012 12:16 PM
BTW before I forget, I doubt if God would any woman and for sure NOT ME, to submit and leran from a man who doesn't himslef know the art of submission even so to the turth of God's word... where are the learned wise men who are true teachers of God's word? Do you really souppose God would ahve NAYONE TO SUBMIT AND LEARN FOOLISNESS AND BE DECIEVED BY SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW OR CAN RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH?...and what is it that I would learn from a man who doesn't know and hasn't sppritually submitted and ;earned from God himself and answers himself with a spirit of doubt? ... what is it that I as a woman can learn from you? ,... a spirit of doubt as you display??.
Another point I must make perfectly clear to you and any other foolsin man on this forum who might silently agree with your false understanding that a woman is to submit to a man who is himself decieve with his own lies of God's truth, or that think and believe and use that very ppassages you Agapeton have post as a way of control of a woman are to be submissive... God say incase you didn't complete your reading that men are also to be submissives..and this submissions is between husband and wife... if a man is not submissives to God in obedience, how is the heck do you think a woman is to be submissives and learn anything good from you?
PLus, keep in mind, I AM NOT YOUR WIFE OR YYOUR WOMAN, AND YOU HAVE NOT ONE THING YOU CAN TEACH ME, so submission is OUT... and your scripture passages don't apply at this gas station!... maybe down the road around the corner, up the street you can find as I said, a silly woman to believe your foolishness, and accept your twisted understanding and novice card, but not here, I only accept the sound teachings in the word of God gold card..:dancingp::excited::ROFL:
What Does The Father and The Lord Jesus Say Concerning The Gift Of The Holy Spirit.
Posted : 20 Feb, 2012 12:25 PM
And again, your defmes when challenged and you have no right answers?... when in doubt ATTACK! but one day you will learn that detorus are not he answers, you will have ot face the turh of your lack of knowing... and your mouht just keep on condmening yourself.. like the evr ready bunnie keep going and goin and goin nowhere fast.
Sytll with the tipoic and addres if what I have posted is truth or not... if this is possible with you:zzzz::dunce::purpleangel:
What Does The Father and The Lord Jesus Say Concerning The Gift Of The Holy Spirit.
Posted : 20 Feb, 2012 03:12 PM
PJ COPIES AND POSTS HIS ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:
3. Were the disciples speaking in a tongue that the multitude could understand?
In this instance yes, did the disciples know what they where speaking NO.
You can not intellectually discern the word of God..
ME: Peter even said that it WAS FULFILLED IN THE PEOPLE'S HEARING. Do you call him a LIAR, brother?
Acts 2:33:
Act 2:33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.
Jesus said that they would be endowed with power to BE HIS WITNESSES AND SPEAK OF HIM BOLDLY. That is what Happened!
Act 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be MY WITNESSES in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."
PJ, I've yet to see you come up with anything that coincides with Scripture, brother. How is it that that Acts 2 event was REPEATED in Acts 4:31?''
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.
5 simple questions, brother. Still waiting for you to attempt to answer one correctly.
Agapeton said: ET, as I said to you before. Women are NOT TO TEACH because they can be deceived
Ella says: And I say to you AGIAIN ... AGAPETON, you are in God's business, You didn't called me into ministry nor was it your grace that gave me the word of truth, nor can you tell me what to do whith what God given to me... and if God was pleased, then He should have not given me the spiritual insight and knowledge that I do have in the gospel.
ME: Sister ET, I've told you this before and I will not neglect to tell you again. I am a brother of Jesus through the sacrifice of giving Himself up fopr me and He even said so (Joh 20:17). And If My brother is going about His Father's house (Luke 2:49), and to engage in His BUSINESS WHILE HE IS GONE (Luke 19:13). So guess what, dear sister? YOUR BUSINESS IS ALSO MY BUSINESS AND I AM HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THE WORD OF GOD, OF WHOM YOU ARE TO BE SUBJECT TO, SAYS THAT A WOMEN SHALL NOT TEACH. Do you agree with the Word of God, Sister? OR do YOU REBEL AGAINST THE VERY AUTHORITY THAT GOD HAS SET FORTH IN HIS WORD?
If you are to GO preach the gospel of Christ to the lost then GO OUT INTO THE WORLD AND TELL OTHERS OF HIS BIRTH DEATH SACRIFICE AND RESURRECTION FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS but PLEASE, sister. I will say it again PLEASE, SISTER ELLA TOWNSEND DO NOT DISOBEY THE LORD GOD'S WORD WHEN HE SAYS THAT A WOMEN SHOULD NOT TEACH, because you are showing your true ability to FOLLOW your OWN WILL. You say that you have been taught as a child. So then take hold of the teaching you learned and BE SUBJECT TO CHRIST in ALL THAT HE COMMANDS. You know that in the Scriptures there is NO woman PASTOR OR is there ANY SUCH THING SPECIFIED. So, with that being said, the Scriptures are pretty clear that you are not to teach. And the fact THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ERRONEOUSLY TEACHING THINGS OF WHICH THERE HAS BEEN AMPLE EVIDENCE NOW IN SEVERAL TOPICS, THEN that should be even more evidence of your incapability to do so.
ET: Also Agepaton, as I've also told YOU, YOU CAN'T TEACH WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE YOU YOURSELF ARE DECEIVED TO THINK YOU HAVE the spiritual insight of God's word to teach, that YOU SAY GOD HAS GIVEN TO YOU... but you keep proving it over and over on this forum that this may not be the truth of the case... YOU can't being rightly divide the word or connect the dots of scripture.
ME: Can you show me where I have taught wrong, sister? Because I can do this to you. I can actually copy some of the things you've contentiously said and post them here to prove it. Shall we dare try this?
ET: So it looks like YOU are the one who is deceived through your own conceit and lack of spiritual knowledge and understanding, thinking you are called to be a teacher... I ask a teacher of WHAT??? and what is the spiritual proof and the FACT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN CALLED TO BE A TEACHER! What spiritual leader has affirmed you as a teacher of God's word... this is how God works, you can't affirm yourself and called yourself a teach, this is how we get flase teachers, they have no spiritual counselr or mentor to affrim their call, and this is how it worked and happend throughotu God's word, even so God affirmed and the Holy Spirit witnessed...
ME: Which teaching organization can you use to show that you are a fit to be a teacher of men, sister? Does this denomination believe that Scripture is to be followed? If so, then WHY ARE THEY TAKING YOUR MONEY and TEACHING YOU (which if one has to be taught it is not a gift) KNOWING THAT SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT A WOMAN SHOULD NOT TEACH OR TO BE QUIET IN CHURCH?
1Ti 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
1Co 14:34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.
ET: I have been affrimed by God and the holy Spirit as my witness, adn He is the one how gave me His word of truth for such a time as this... to CORRECT YOUR ERROR IN THE WORD, So fi you have aproblem, take to the Lord in prayer, and see what he has to say.
ME: And I've yet to see Scripture to prove anything but your blatant DISRESPECT AND DISOBEDIENCE TO IT, sister. This has happened more than once now. SHOW ME A VERSE TO SUPPORT YOUR MINISTRY IN BEING A WOMAN PASTOR, sister Ella?
ET: If you KNEW THE SCRIPTURES YOU WOULD KNOW THE ANSWERS TO Your own silly 5 questions... but since I AM A TEACHER OF GOD'S WORD OF TRUTH, let me help you out here, so your MOUTH will not contiue to condemn YOU... you ask becasue YOU DON"T KNOW the ANSWERE YOURSELF.
ME: OK, so ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, please. I've YET TO SEE ANYTHING of you saying that you are a "TEACHER OF GOD'S WORD OF TRUTH" as a woman and go against what Paul told Timothy in 1 Tim. 2:12...
Oh Here is the text and please answer them, sister. You said you would, so I will humbly await your RESPONSE to them, thanks. Oh, by the way, I won't even attempt to go into what serious mistakes you made in the other statements, because I sort of hinted at the fact that the Holy Spirit endowed them with POWER TO PREACH THE GOSPEL as the text clearly shows it in Acts 2:1-11 and again in Acts 4:31.
So, again, Here is the text and then the questions. I will gladly read your answers to them according to the Word of God.
Act 2:1 When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Act 2:5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.
Act 2:6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because EACH ONE WAS HEARING THEM SPEAK IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE.
Act 2:7 And they were amazed and astonished, saying, "Are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
Act 2:8 And how is it that WE HEAR, each of us IN HIS OWN NATIVE LANGUAGE?
Act 2:9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
Act 2:10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome,
Act 2:11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians--WE HEAR THEM TELLING IN OUR OWN TONGUES THE MIGHTY WORDS OF GOD."
If we look at the text and ask these simple questions, we will easily discern that the WORD OF GOD NEEDS NO DEFENSE OR EXPLANATION FROM MAN'S TRADITIONS.
1. Why was the multitude bewildered when they came together to hear the disciples?
2. What did they say when they came together?
3. Were the disciples speaking in a tongue that the multitude could understand?
4. Who was understanding the tongues being spoken?
5. What were the disciples telling the multitude while speaking in tongues?
And here are the bonus question that I also asked PJ:
Why did Peter say that the crowd HEARD THE FULFILLMENT OF JOEL 2?
Act 2:33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you YOURSELVES ARE SEEING AND HEARING.
And Why did this even happen AGAIN IN ACTS 4:31 if it was a one time shot?
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.
What Does The Father and The Lord Jesus Say Concerning The Gift Of The Holy Spirit.
Posted : 20 Feb, 2012 09:55 PM
Angelforlove Posted : I read today in Philippians 4:2-3 Euodias, and Syntyche
about these two women, those associated with with the apostle int the cause of the gospel . ( women as well as men) are his equals , not subordinates is what the corcordances said in the my bible.Kjv Not mentioned anywhere else in the NT.
God reveals truth to those who are in Him. If you are open to Learning from someone, When you do not have the Holy Ghost. Holy Ghost leads, guides and directs when we listen to Him.
ME: I agree sister, Angel. But if you read the text it shows that these two women had some sort of disagreement amongst themselves and Paul is asking that they both make up and then asks the men in the church to help these women patch things up. Here are the verses and then I will post a commentary to say the same thing. It doesn't say that they were teachers in anyway nor does it specify that they had higher rank over the men. It does say that they helped though.
Php 4:2 I entreat Euodia and I entreat Syntyche to agree in the Lord.
Php 4:3 Yes, I ask you also, true companion, help these women, who have labored side by side with me in the gospel together with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Gill on Verse 2:Php 4:2 I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche,.... Two women, who were members of this church at Philippi, and who seem to have been at variance; either with each other, on account of some temporal and civil things, as often is the case of the dear children of God, who fall out by the way; and it becomes a very hard and difficult task to reconcile them, though as here entreated in the most tender and importunate manner to agree: or else with the church, having entertained some sentiments in religion different from it; being drawn aside by false teachers from the simplicity of the Gospel, and their steadfastness in the faith; and this may rather be thought to be the meaning, since the apostle would scarcely take notice of a private difference in so public a manner, and since this exhortation follows so closely the former:
that they be of the same mind in the Lord; either that they agree together, and be reconciled to each other, considering the relation they stood in to one another, and to the Lord; or that they become of the same mind, and embrace the same truths, and profess and maintain the same principles the church did; and so the Arabic version renders it, "that ye entertain one and the same opinion concerning the faith of the Lord".
Gill on verse 3:
help those women; Euodias and Syntyche. The Syriac and Ethiopic versions read "them", referring to the above women; and the Arabic version reads, "help both"; that is, both those women; not by relieving their temporal wants, which it does not appear they were in; but either by composing their differences, or by assisting them with good counsel and advice; and giving them proper instructions in the doctrines of the Gospel, that they might be brought to think the same things the church did: and the rather such pains should be taken with them, since they were such, says the apostle,
which laboured with me in the Gospel; not in preaching it, for he suffered not a woman to teach in the church, 1Ti 2:12; but by professing it, and bearing reproach and persecution for it; and by supporting and encouraging, and spreading it with their worldly substance:
