Thread: Why Are Male Pastors Are Leaving The Church If They Say God Called Them?
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Why Are Male Pastors Are Leaving The Church If They Say God Called Them?
Posted : 21 Feb, 2012 10:53 AM
Statistics -
90% of the pastors report working between 55 to 75 hours per week.
80% believe pastoral ministry has negatively affected their families. Many pastor's children do not attend church now because of what the church has done to their parents.
95% of pastors do not regularly pray with their spouses.
33% state that being in the ministry is an outright hazard to their family.
75% report significant stress-related crisis at least once in their ministry.
90% feel they are inadequately trained to cope with the ministry demands.
80% of pastors and 84% of their spouses feel unqualified and discouraged as role of pastors.
90% of pastors said the ministry was completely different than what they thought it would be like before they entered the ministry.
50% feel unable to meet the demands of the job.
70% of pastors constantly fight depression.
70% say they have a lower self-image now than when they first started.
70% do not have someone they consider a close friend.
40% report serious conflict with a parishioner at least once a month.
33% confess having involved in inappropriate sexual behavior with someone in the church.
50% of pastors feel so discouraged that they would leave the ministry if they could, but have no other way of making a living.
70% of pastors feel grossly underpaid.
50% of the ministers starting out will not last 5 years. 1 out of every 10 ministers will actually retire as a minister in some form.
94% of clergy families feel the pressures of the pastor's ministry.
80% of spouses feel the pastor is overworked.
80% spouses feel left out and underappreciated by church members.
80% of pastors' spouses wish their spouse would choose a different profession.
66% of church members expect a minister and family to live at a higher moral standard than themselves.
Moral values of a Christian is no different than those who consider themselves as non-Christians.
The average American will tell 23 lies a day.
The profession of �Pastor� is near the bottom of a survey of the most-respected professions, just above �car salesman�.
4,000 new churches begin each year and 7,000 churches close.
Over 1,700 pastors left the ministry every month last year.
Over 1,300 pastors were terminated by the local church each month , many without cause.
Over 3,500 people a day left the church last year. Many denominations report an �empty pulpit crisis�. They cannot find ministers willing to fill positions.
#1 reason pastors leave the ministry � Church people are not willing to go the same direction and goal of the pastor. Pastor's believe God wants them to go in one direction but the people are not willing to follow or change.
Statistics provided by The Fuller Institute, George Barna, and Pastoral Care Inc.
Why Are Male Pastors Are Leaving The Church If They Say God Called Them?
Posted : 22 Feb, 2012 06:41 AM
You know this past summer my pastor called me and said church was canceled it was a weds night because someone had left the air off and it was like 115 degrees in the church (it gets really hot down here) anyway then a little while later I got a text that said we were gonna meet at sister tobys house instead of not having it at all!!
I tell you what it was a memorable service, the intamacy and everyone sitting in tobys living room together like a real family and we still sang together , it was awesome.
I am sure we wont be converting back to a home church but that service was great and just what we needed!
I am so glad my pastor listens to the holy spirit and Hid leadership!
I want to add that Its my opinion that less people would drop out of church if they had a pastor that truly acts like a brother and asks for their imput as mine does! It makes you feel like you have some say so in the church you belong to!
In fact once I gave him a cd to listen to it was a message from my other church back home it was powerful called gethsemene place of the press about how God puts us in our own gethsemene and how gethsemene is the place where unvaluble olives are pressed into valuble olive oil!
I know he listened to it and then he was intreaged by the message and did his own messege about being in gethsemene!
It wasnt quite as deep or powerful as the one I had given him. But we have a lot of new Christians in our church and my pastor himself has been saved only about 14 years, so sometimes the messages arent as deep as they are at central and maybe not as deep as I would like since I have been getting those really deep messages for a long time now before I moved up here. But I get some other things I need from my little church and I can still hear those deep messages my daddy uploads them onto our filezilla thingy then I put them onto my micro sd card and I hear them anyway!
But I think the Lord knows that I have to be envolved in something when he placed me at shiloh , because central is such a huge church there just is no room for me there to be envolved in the mnistry all the sunay school teachers have been there forever and the choir shoot my daddy has ben in that choir for 20 years i bet, so THE LORD put me at Shiloh where I can grow with the church and I can be envolved in things that are important!
Sorry this got off the subject but I was responding to agapeton and angel about the small churches
Why Are Male Pastors Are Leaving The Church If They Say God Called Them?
Posted : 22 Feb, 2012 06:47 AM
BTW Angel peganisim is visble in almost all churches today, the first church was poisoned by constontine a long time ago I have said this before where do you think the word easter comes from?
Most churches spout off the word easter when describing the day our lord was raised alive again , but that word comes from the word Ishtar who was a fertility godess and think about it~!!!
Eggs ,Bunnys, New Dresses are all symbols and traditions related to fertilty celebrations
I mean name one easter tradition that has to do with the resurection, except the sunrise services that dont even happen much anymore
when I was little we always got up at like 5 am to be at church when the sun came up sometimes the service was held outside
but then out of ignorance we hunted easter eggs and of corse all the women wore new dresses
its all pegan but the good news is my God has alwasy been able to work all things for his Glory
Why Are Male Pastors Are Leaving The Church If They Say God Called Them?
Posted : 22 Feb, 2012 09:03 AM
Sister Elisha, I do admit that I love reading your testimony. You make me so home sick for my old home family in Christ, in Wisconsin! I can honestly see you as being there with us. Your honesty and simplicity in your words are so full of life and truth that they ring out Christ's devotion and love for the things of our Father in heaven.
The house meeting you mentioned at your sister Toby's house is exactly what I mean when I mention the house church setting. I'm not necessarily down playing the whole assembling in a building all together. I am getting at the level of intimacy that one gets from being in a comfortable atmosphere compared to a formal setting. Your description of the singing and praising the Lord shows exactly what I mean.
In an intimate meeting like that the Spirit can move and lead the whole congregation on a freer level into magnifying Him. And the fact that you mentioned how your pastor actually takes input from the rest of the body shows his obedience to Christ because it is exactly what the Spirit is doing THROUGH His BODY PARTS to lift up the HEAD, which is Christ. This is the point of what I'm trying to make when it comes to the "structured organized" church setting. The body of Christ is very versatile in every aspect because of the diversity of the believers who attend the gatherings. If this "organized structure" is followed as a standard in a place where it might not be necessarily be beneficial for the believers in Christ, then the Spirit is stifled into working through and for Christ on by the believers in a limited way.
That is my whole meaning of spontaneity within the meetings. There is an order that has to be followed according to Scripture BUT the structure has to fit the body of believers so that they can be edified and Christ can be fully manifest through and to them with by the leading of His Spirit.
Thank you for blessing me, sister. I see the Lord's zeal through you and it is an engulfing flame.
Why Are Male Pastors Are Leaving The Church If They Say God Called Them?
Posted : 22 Feb, 2012 10:29 AM
I am in a church Sal that has structure and it is not conducted that way but it is always as the Holy Spirit directs.
This a new testament patterned Church is governed by The comforter and i can not ell you the times the lord stopped the whole service to minister to even one person concerning the gift of The Holy Ghost, our Pastor is anointed as a pastor and has the anointing to teach, and is gifted to lead to lead people into the Baptism.
Granny come up the other day could not even stand up straight, but she received and was beaming from ear to ear, as she received the full measure of the Glory.
The Lord never fails to filll any that come in faith.
Do you suppose you could tell the young that the lord first healed from a condition that man had no answer for, he did struggle when he realized how much they had been lied to, now he is telling people everywhere for when he received The Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues he received the power to be a witness.
We don't need to talk about what is wrong, we need to talk about who is right.
Why Are Male Pastors Are Leaving The Church If They Say God Called Them?
Posted : 22 Feb, 2012 11:42 AM
Angel,do you know that the statement you made shows how ignorant you are of your own Christian heritage and history? Did you know that the church was originally a HOUSE CHURCH ESTABLISHMENT? Read your Bible. Every time Paul mentions a House in his epistles he is pointing to a gathering of believers. Even Luke speaks of churches in Jerusalem as houses. Church buildings didn't come into play until Constentine's day.....
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Ignorance , That is You not excepting the leading of the Holy Ghost.
Ask God for Wisdom Agapeton.. Cause
What YOU Speak Shows you do not have... Wisdom from God.
Why Are Male Pastors Are Leaving The Church If They Say God Called Them?
Posted : 22 Feb, 2012 11:58 AM
Why Are Male Pastors Are Leaving The Church If They Say God Called Them?
*** There are many reasons why...and one is because of the Hardness of Peoples Hearts...even those that Profess to be HolySpirit Filled and Lead...have Hardened Hearts..we are All Sinners Expecting All to Not Be Sinners and To Be Righteous...and None are...No...NOT one...Not even the Pastor's in the buildings called "Churches" that believe they are Called by GOD...They lose Faith...Sin...and Fall Away...the Great Apostasy as it is written...and it will continue until the Fullness of Gentiles comes in and All be Fulfilled...xo
Why Are Male Pastors Are Leaving The Church If They Say God Called Them?
Posted : 22 Feb, 2012 12:41 PM
Angel quotes me :Angel,do you know that the statement you made shows how ignorant you are of your own Christian heritage and history? Did you know that the church was originally a HOUSE CHURCH ESTABLISHMENT? Read your Bible. Every time Paul mentions a House in his epistles he is pointing to a gathering of believers. Even Luke speaks of churches in Jerusalem as houses. Church buildings didn't come into play until Constentine's day.....
Angel says: Ignorance , That is You not excepting the leading of the Holy Ghost. Ask God for Wisdom Agapeton.. Cause What YOU Speak Shows you do not have... Wisdom from God.
What did I say that was wrong? Here Angel. Since you like to read the posts of this site more than your Bible, I will show you where the Scriptures speak of meeting in houses, dear sister.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting.
Act 5:42 And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they did not cease teaching and preaching Jesus as the Christ.
Act 16:15 And after she was baptized, and her household as well, she urged us, saying, "If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay." And she prevailed upon us.
Act 16:32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house.
Act 17:5 But the Jews were jealous, and taking some wicked men of the rabble, they formed a mob, set the city in an uproar, and attacked the house of Jason, seeking to bring them out to the crowd.
Act 20:20 how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you in public and from house to house,
Act 21:8 On the next day we departed and came to Caesarea, and we entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him.
Paul's epistles:
Rom 16:5 Greet also the church in their house. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in Asia.
1Co 16:19 The churches of Asia send you greetings. Aquila and Prisca, together with the church in their house, send you hearty greetings in the Lord.
Col 4:15 Give my greetings to the brothers at Laodicea, and to Nympha and the church in her house.
1Ti 5:13 Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not.
Phm 1:2 and Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier, and the church in your house:
John's epistles:
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting,
Angelforlove Posted: Again. Many Churches are lead by "Holy Ghost" filled people n the Ministy. Leadership is what some people need. Not coming together in Homes !!
Me: Sister Angela, I see. So did you and your family only come together in the church seeing as you obviously had no leadership in your home? Honestly Angel, if the attitude you display is any inkling of the leadership that you are receiving in your church, then someone is doing a bad job. Either it is your attempt to be obedient to that Holy Ghost appointed leader that is inadequate or it is your Holy Ghost leader that is teaching you to be this contentious, sister. Which ever way it is, I suggest some serious reflection and repentance on the part of the disobedient party because our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ is not glorified in the form of conduct that has been displayed on your part.
Seriously, do you just type stuff to be contentious or do you put stuff up to be funny? Because you seem to emit contention in your posts, sister.
May the God of grace give you discernment in all your ways, sister Angel.
