Author	Thread: God's Love to those he chose.
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 10:41 AM Romans 9:1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen. 6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called." 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: "At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son." 10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated." 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As He says also in Hosea: "I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved." 26 "And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God." 27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved. 28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth." 29 And as Isaiah said before: "Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah." 30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." Praise God for his sovereign grace. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 07:49 PM so pj did God lie when he said Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. Acts 17:29-31 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. (30) And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (31) Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. Matthew 23:37-39 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! (38) Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. (39) For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Romans 8:28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. John 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: (13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 3:1-8 1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: (2) The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. (3) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (4) Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? (5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (7) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (8) The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast. (10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Donna that is never the issue and it is uncalled for, it is very simple no one is to alter the word of God to fit their doctrine and that is reformation theology. You can't argue this scripture means this for it is the word of God and the totally deny any scripture that contradicts the theology Calvinism dose not accept the word of God as The truth and in so doing it rejects the truth concerning the topic of faith.. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 10:14 PM PJ you keep talking about the scriptures. The problem is, I have shown that Christ did not die for all from the scriptures and you have not shown that Christ died for all from the scriptures. It should be a simple task if it is so evident from the word. Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 11:01 PM The words indicated in Bold are censored from the CDFF Forum: well there is John 3:16 for one, God so love the WORLD, then there is the scripture that says that HE IS WILL THAT NONE should perish but all come to repentence, and romans chapter 9 is not about anything except aldutress israel! its not about individuals this is such a redunadant argument, Jesus dies and anyone who will except him and believe on Him for salvation will be saved thats the bottom line, God will call everyone thats the great commision everyone is called if they werent then many are called and few are chosen wouldnt make any sence for any of us, if yall believe that every work began in a person will be completed then why would God call someone that can not be chosen! again WHY WOULD GOD CALL ANYONE WHO CAN NOT BE CHOSEN?? If being choisen is completly up to God then why would he call anyone who will not become chosen! that dog wont hunt! thats a contradiction in the calvinst doctrine that I cant get passed and nobody has yet to explain it to where it makes one bit of sence and still upholds calvin! It just wont work! IT makes much more sence that all are called and the ones that heed the call become chosen? Am i right? @HOPE John 3:16 it the first one that comes to mind, but you wont except it because you have been brain washed to be;lieve that when God said the world he only meant some of the world and when he said all he only meant some and when he said none he meant none of some!!:ROFL: its ludacris!! its false still love you though sister Donna Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 02:50 AM So Elisha Romans 9 means nothing for me its just for Israel. That is even more ludicrist. So your god can choose Israel, but no one else. :ROFL: Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 03:45 AM The sin is in any one thinking and i mean thinking they can tell God what he meant at any time in his word. That is the clearest example of pride. Of course we agree with John 3;16 it is the very core of the word of God, so the practice we here from any Calvinist is simply the manipulation they apply to all scripture, or to say it this way that scripture does not mean what it says, but yes it does as all scripture is true and all the promise's of god are yes and amen. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 05:47 AM I tend to think it's more of letting God speak than telling God what He meant. You see, I've posted verses teaching that Christ did not die to save all. You have not refuted the first one of them. You have also not been able to do what according to you should be a simple task. That is giving scripture showing that Christ died to save all. John 3:16 is no more the core of scripture than any other verse that speaks on the gospel. Can you please show from scripture why John 3:16 should get more weight than any other verse on the gospel? I'd be interested in such a scripture teaching that. As far as John 3:16 meaning what it says, I certainly believe it. I just do not add to the text to get the meaning unlike you. John 3:16 Teaches that God loved the world in this way, He laid down his life that everyone believing would have life. Nowhere in there does it teach that Jesus died to save everyone. It teaches He died for those that would believe. Now you can add to that, but the verse doesn't say it. I ask you, who in that instance would be the one manipulating scripture to fit a certain belief? The whole bible is about the gospel and you try to limit it to one verse. Let the scriptures speak for themselves. You've not refuted a single verse I've given. Might it be because you cannot? If you continue to answer without scripture and instead choose to attack others calling them prideful and manipulators, you true heart is being shown. You should be able to defend your view with scripture. Attacking the heart of the other side does not help you. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 05:57 AM I would like to have an intelligent and civil discussion on what the scriptures say. Is that possible? Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 06:27 AM I think the one big reason so many fail in interpreting scripture is they fail to incorporate what the Greek is actually saying. So they read the English translation and say "See, WHOSOEVER CAN BE SAVED". That's just not what it teaches. Here is a good video of John 3:16 being broken down and explained using the original language. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFZjsfaO2kc Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 07:01 AM I am not going to watch your video for the simple reason that for every video or explantion yo can post that has some calvinist twisting the scripture to say all isnt all the world isnt the whole world whosoever is only whosoever He already chose and none is really none of some, I can post 5 that has an armainist explaining them in such a way that supports what they believe, yes dona, Jacob I have loved that is israel how do you get that jacob is represinitive of every person, jacob represents a nation and so does essau! Further more love and hate in the bible do not mean love and hate but they are merly a comparitive, so pretty much God blessed and favord Jacob MORE than essau! This is about nations God does not hate anyone He loves his creation eriod! AND John 3:16 says the world, I am not gonna continue in this same old argument that nobody ever wins its been going on for hundreds of years aparently, and the truth is it doesnt even matter, why does it matter if God created some for destruction or if he loved them and wants them to make but but He knows for sure that they will be destroyed because of their rebelion and his soverignty? it really dont matter Jesus as saivor thats all that saves us all the other is ildle talking Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 07:27 AM Okay lets go on your huge assumption that "world" in John 3:16 means everyone in the world. You have a huge problem then when you get to the very next verse. 17" For God did not send his Son into the world...". Now are you going to argue that this verse is saying God didn't send his son into everyone in the world? Again this is the very next verse. I challenge you to step outside of the tradition and emotion box and deal with what the text actually says. I've not twisted anything. If you look at what the John 3:16 says in the Greek, you would have to do a lot of twisting to conclude it means what you say it does. Post Reply

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