How is it the " free willers" believe God has changed?
Posted : 16 Apr, 2012 05:53 AM
If God chose Paul and the believers at Chorinth, why is it you say he does not choose me?
1 Corinthians 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, 2 To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: 3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 4 I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given to you by Christ Jesus, 5 that you were enriched in everything by Him in all utterance and all knowledge, 6 even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, 7 so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, 8 who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. 10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe's household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas," or "I am of Christ." 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. 16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect. 18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." 20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--and righteousness and sanctification and redemption-- 31 that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the Lord."
How is it the " free willers" believe God has changed?
Posted : 18 Apr, 2012 06:21 AM
This whole thread is weird. We have pj, capslocking it up with ambiguous religious statements, HoH trying to reason with him (well played, as always), someone else replying WITH EQUALLY AMBIGUOUS judgey statements... and at the end of the day, I'm too terrified to click on the first page and see what the heck "free willers" are, because it sounds derogatory and like it would be full of more ambiguous, judgey religions statements.
So I'll say just this:
I believe in free will, and have studied somewhat in depth verses that support predestination (strongly, STRONGLY against it) and whatever the opposite would be, written papers on how free will works with God's sovereignty, and what not. I don't say this because I think I'm an authority but because it is possible to believe this without compromising one's faith and without ~denying the Bible~ (which usually means, denying one person's interpretation of the Bible). I'm very very NOT cool with any ambiguous, judgey religious words hurled at me or others who may think this way, especially those who would not be able to back it up. I am willing to engage in the topic as regular human beings, which means no copy/pasted Bible verses and no insults or insinuations that my standing with God is less than anyone else's. My standing with God is in Christ, and I don't believe their are degrees of that, regardless of my heretic philosophical beliefs.
How is it the " free willers" believe God has changed?
Posted : 18 Apr, 2012 06:28 AM
I appreciate your view girl. there are many people today that believe they did something to deserve salvation. " free willers" those who walked down an isle to choose God, instead of following biblical salvation. I want to discuss God's word, not any ones vain imaginations, man made doctrine. Just God's word.I don't believe that is possible here.
How is it the " free willers" believe God has changed?
Posted : 18 Apr, 2012 07:35 AM
You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" (Romans 9:19-20)
How is it the " free willers" believe God has changed?
Posted : 18 Apr, 2012 08:46 AM
This whole thread is weird. We have pj, capslocking it up with ambiguous religious statements, HoH trying to reason with him (well played, as always), someone else replying WITH EQUALLY AMBIGUOUS judgey statements... and at the end of the day, I'm too terrified to click on the first page and see what the heck "free willers" are, because it sounds derogatory and like it would be full of more ambiguous, judgey religions statements.
So I'll say just this:
I believe in free will, and have studied somewhat in depth verses that support predestination (strongly, STRONGLY against it) and whatever the opposite would be, written papers on how free will works with God's sovereignty, and what not. I don't say this because I think I'm an authority but because it is possible to believe this without compromising one's faith and without ~denying the Bible~ (which usually means, denying one person's interpretation of the Bible). I'm very very NOT cool with any ambiguous, judgey religious words hurled at me or others who may think this way, especially those who would not be able to back it up. I am willing to engage in the topic as regular human beings, which means no copy/pasted Bible verses and no insults or insinuations that my standing with God is less than anyone else's. My standing with God is in Christ, and I don't believe their are degrees of that, regardless of my heretic philosophical beliefs
This is summed up with these word's:
@God'sgirl:
Stop with the insults. I have noticed how you treat people on these forums and if you keep acting that way you will be banned. Insults are not allowed.
How is it the " free willers" believe God has changed?
Posted : 18 Apr, 2012 08:54 AM
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How is it the " free willers" believe God has changed?
Posted : 18 Apr, 2012 07:35 AM
You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" (Romans 9:19-20)
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
The word of God declares very clearly it is man's choice and it has always been man's choice, there is no place for opinion's in the kingdom of God.
The lord Jesus laid it out very clearly in the parable of the sower for any that will not harden their heart against the word of God.
How is it the " free willers" believe God has changed?
Posted : 19 Apr, 2012 05:15 AM
Well nice try pj, but this verse says nothing about choosing God. For in your dead state of sin God's word is very clear. You can do nothing without him.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
this verse says you are to show YOURSELF, not God he already knows your state.
How is it the " free willers" believe God has changed?
Posted : 19 Apr, 2012 05:28 AM
Interesting that you've noticed, considering how you treat people. I really don't find you at all threatening, either in regards to my internet activities or my standing with God. So points for effort, but... no. Personally, I think calling you out on your nonsense is way less insulting than the spiritual abuse you like to hurl at anyone who disagrees with you. You have no authority over me, and you don't have a direct line to God that the rest of us lack. It may make you feel better about yourself to believe that you do, but it's a lie.
How is it the " free willers" believe God has changed?
Posted : 19 Apr, 2012 05:37 AM
"there are many people today that believe they did something to deserve salvation."" free willers" those who walked down an isle to choose God, instead of following biblical salvation."
First of all, this is far too ambiguous of a statement to make sense. Believing in free will ≠ believing one earned one's salvation. I'm not clear on why you're equating these things, and so far, you've flung around a lot of loaded language that doesn't explain why you're equating them. The term you're using ("free willers") also doesn't really identify anything except a straw man you're using to support your own arguments. It just doesn't make sense. It may give you something to get good and angry about (and really, what's the point in getting angry and ranting in a forum that people believe they can earn their salvation as you try to do exactly that by using over-the-top religious terminology and copypasting Scripture?), but it isn't helpful. Especially when the way that you choose to make that point is by dismissing entire groups of believers. Why not engage people in actual conversations, as actual people? Or would that threaten your angry opinion too much?
"I want to discuss God's word, not any ones vain imaginations"
Let's talk about insults. People disagreeing with you does not make them vain. It definitely doesn't make them opposed to God's word, because you don't have the final say on what "God's word" is. If by "God's word" you mean the Bible, the problem here is, you clearly DON'T want to discuss it. You want to shut down and diminish anyone who has a different interpretation than you do, even if that interpretation can be supported with Scripture. For the record, supporting one's viewpoint with Scripture does not mean copying and pasting verses out of context. It means that you're also responsible to show how those verses support your viewpoint, as well as deal with the potential difficulties of them in a mature and reasonable way (i.e., not insulting the faith of those who disagree). If you want to use Bible verses, the fact that you can open up BibleGateway and copy text doesn't prove you're right, it proves you can press buttons on your keyboard. Engage the text. Show how it proves your point (or doesn't).
"Man made doctrine" isn't such a bad thing, because all doctrine is inherently man-made. Doctrine is humanity's attempt to understand God's message to humans as found in Scripture. Doctrine is a good thing; it keeps the lines of orthodoxy defined and puts into practical terms the truth found in the Bible. If discussion is "not possible here" (too bad, so sad), it's because no one is willing to enter into an actual discussion, and would rather paste Bible verses and deride those who disagree, because they obviously don't know Jesus, as though Jesus were something or Someone only you could own.
