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It should be cautioned that proof texting is far too easy for anyone to do, and with any of these verses the context should be considered. Far too often, context is ignored and erroneous interpretations are formed. So, use these verses, but corroborate their contexts. These verses and explanations faithfully represent Arminianism to have strong Biblical support.
The Arminians believe and hold fast to ~
Election is conditional
Atonement is available for all
Grace is resistible
We must remain in Christ to be secure
Man has libertarian free will
God's prevenient grace
Sin is not from God
Verses that show election is conditional:
Matthew 11:28-30 - Salvation is an invite to those who will come.
John 3:16
John 4:42
John 6:40
John 6:51 - Must eat of the bread of life to receive benefit.
Acts 13:39
Romans 1:16-17
Romans 9:30
Romans 5:1-2 - It is through faith that we are made a part of Christ.
Ephesians 1:13
1 Timothy 4:10 - Jesus died for all, but there is a specific subset that receives the benefits, namely those who believe.
1 Peter 1:1-2 - Election is according to God's foreknowing who shall believe.
Verses that show the atonement is available for all:
Isaiah 53:6 - The iniquity of us all was put on Christ.
Matthew 11:28-30 - Any who come to Christ are welcome.
Matthew 18:14 - The Father does not wish that any should perish (anti predestined-reprobation).
John 1:7 - Jesus intended for all, wants all to believe.
John 1:29
John 3:16-17
John 6:33, 51
John 12:32, 47
Romans 3:23-24 - All have sinned and all have access to justification in Christ Jesus.
Romans 5:6 - Christ died for the ungodly. Since all are ungodly, Christ died for all.
Romans 5:15 - Since sin spread to all, Christ's atonement is meant for all.
Romans 10:13 - Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:14-15 - All died, yet Christ died for all.
1 Timothy 2:3-6 - God desires all men to be saved, and gave Himself for all
1 Timothy 4:10
Titus 2:11 - God's necessary grace that leads to repentance appears to all.
Hebrews 2:9 - Jesus tasted death for everyone.
Hebrews 10:10 - Christ offered once for all.
2 Peter 3:9
1 John 4:14
1 John 2:2 - Jesus is the propitiation, not just for believers, but for the whole world.
John 4:42
Revelation 22:17
Verses that show grace is resistible:
Jeremiah 7:24
Luke 7:30
Acts 7:51 - Blatant resistance of the Holy Spirit. It is proper to infer that if they didn't resist, they would have been led to repentance.
Romans 10:16 - Not all who hear will believe.
2 Corinthians 6:1 - One can receive God's grace, yet not appropriate it in their lives.
Verses that show we must remain in Christ to be secure:
Romans 11:17-24
1 Corinthians 15:2
Ephesians 5:3-7
Colossians 1:21-23
2 Peter 1:10
2 Peter 2:20-22
Hebrews 6:4-6
Hebrews 10:26
James 1:12; 5:19-20
Verses that show man has libertarian free will:
Free will offering verses
Exodus 35:29; 36:3
Leviticus 7:16; 22:18, 21, 23; 23:38
Numbers 15:3; 29:39
Deuteronomy 12:6, 17; 16:10
2 Chronicles 31:14; 35:8
Ezra 1:4, 6; 3:5; 7:16; 8:28
Psalm 119:108
Ezekiel 46:12
Amos 4:5
Isaiah 1:19-20 - Can choose to be obedient or rebel.
Ezekiel 33:11 - Have the ability to choose from different options.
Luke 7:30 - Pharisees rejected what God wanted for them.
John 7:17 - A person must want to do what God is giving them the grace to do. This verse shows that God allows things He doesn't want to happen.
1 Corinthians 7:37 - Power over own will--not necessitated--that's the definition of LFW.
1 Corinthians 10:13
Verses demonstrating God's prevenient grace
Jeremiah 31:3
John 16:7-11
Romans 2:4 - It is God's grace that leads us to repentance.
Romans 10:14-17 - One must hear God's word to come to faith.
35 Jesus said to them, �I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and anyone who comes to me I will never drive away; 38for I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40This is indeed the will of my Father, that all who see the Son and believe in him may have eternal life; and I will raise them up on the last day.� John6:35-40
I believe whoever believes in Jesus will have enternal life. WHOEVER Believes
Of course that is the truth, and truth is this Jesus will do every thing in and of himself to help any one believe in him, short of forcing himself upon them.
One of the easiest things any human can do is choose Jesus.
He is not a debate, nor is he debatable.
Thank you kindheated for standing for the truth, and no my intent is to not take side's
The truth is some need a....... and we will leave it at that.
"It has no meaning your threat to ignore, it is you that continually deny, badger, and lie on Christian's."
Several times you have said given criticisms of the one who calls somebody a liar. You say that you never call someone a liar and it shouldn't happen within Christianity. Well look, you've called me a liar again.
None of your babbling changes the fact that my points weren't addressed and that's what this thread is for. If you want to go off on tangents and not deal with the meat of the issue, take it somewhere else.
"I believe Paul is talking to the saints who are in Ephesus and are faithful in Christ Jesus. I believe these verses mean God chose the faithful in Christ Jesus. He destined those who were faithful for adoption without faith though it is impossible."
Maybe you could explore this a little deeply and show me why you think God chose the faithful. Clearly, Paul is writing to the faithful. I just don't see anywhere in the text where it teaches that God chose them because they were faithful.
"I believe whoever believes in Jesus will have enternal life. WHOEVER Believes"
I agree that whoever believes in Jesus will have eternal life. My issue is that the verse there does not address what makes someone believe. What is the driving force? Does it come from within the person or is it all of God. I think I made a pretty good case from Acts 13:48 that those who were appointed to eternal life at the ones who believe. It did not say that those who believe were appointed to eternal life. I believe Acts 13:48 is perfectly in line with the reformed view on election.
"It has no meaning your threat to ignore, it is you that continually deny, badger, and lie on Christian's."
Several times you have said given criticisms of the one who calls somebody a liar. You say that you never call someone a liar and it shouldn't happen within Christianity. Well look, you've called me a liar again.
"It has no meaning your threat to ignore, it is you that continually deny, badger, and lie on Christian's."
Several times you have said given criticisms of the one who calls somebody a liar. You say that you never call someone a liar and it shouldn't happen within Christianity. Well look, you've called me a liar again.
None of your babbling changes the fact that my points weren't addressed and that's what this thread is for. If you want to go off on tangents and not deal with the meat of the issue, take it somewhere else.
Let's communicate this another way, one of the tactics employed is continually saying I said so and so and the evidence clearly proves otherwise. For instance You say again:
None of your babbling changes the fact that my points weren't addressed and that's what this thread is for. If you want to go off on tangents and not deal with the meat of the issue, take it somewhere else.
You said that the word of God is babbling, but it is disguised with blaming me for not knowing the truth.
You say I went of on tangent's, thus saying the word of God is know a tangent and not dealing with the meat of the issue, for me The word is the meat of the issue.
It is well known, I because of accepting Jesus as lord and endeavor to walk with him that it brings persecution and that is okay, but it is not ever acceptable to so willingly endeavor to be a stumbling block to any of mankind by one's own doctrines contrary to the word of God.
ENOUGH ALREADY !!!!....Oh my Goodness Gracious LORD have Mercy!!!!...sounds just like a child Ranting because they didn't get their own way...:prayingf:...xo
I agree that whoever believes in Jesus will have eternal life. My issue is that the verse there does not address what makes someone believe. What is the driving force? Does it come from within the person or is it all of God. I think I made a pretty good case from Acts 13:48 that those who were appointed to eternal life at the ones who believe. It did not say that those who believe were appointed to eternal life. I believe Acts 13:48 is perfectly in line with the reformed view on election.
Faith is the driving force...we can either believe or not. If we believe we have eternal life if we don't we go to hell. Where there is no central air conditioning. :devil:
I believe the Gospels tell you that election is condition. You have Free Will to believe or not..to come to Jesus or not.
"Faith is the driving force...we can either believe or not. If we believe we have eternal life if we don't we go to hell. Where there is no central air conditioning."
KHW, I know that you believe faith is the driving force. What I'm getting at is how did you come to that conclusion based on the verse you gave. It doesn't seem to be a proof text for what you are claiming. Maybe you could show me where it says this within the verse?
"I believe the Gospels tell you that election is condition. You have Free Will to believe or not..to come to Jesus or not."
I don't believe scripture teaches of a free will in salvation. I think it teaches the exact opposite and here is why...
12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:12-13
"hearing-this YET the nations joyed and glorified the word of the Lord and they believe as many as were having been set into life"
I appreciate this, but I'm not sure how it helps your position exactly. In fact I think it paints the same picture that I have.
