Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here?
Posted : 28 Jun, 2012 03:18 PM
Bob shared ~ Jude, I think a lot of this has to do with explaining doctrines in summary forms.
*** OK...I understand that...but why do people have to explain Doctrine...does not GOD~Yahshua~Christ Jesus~HolySpirit do a good enough job of that in HIS Word not being add to or interpreted by man/women ???
Also shared ~ One could just say - "I believe the Bible" or "I believe in Jesus" but that's very vague. This is why their are statements of faith, confessions, creeds.etc.
*** OK...I understand how this could be Vague leading to a question as to "Why do you believe this?" which I would say because GOD says so and the Bible and Word is quite clear on this...could even site Scripture by Christ Jesus Him self and also those that carried the Message/Gospel...So...I believe the Bible and I believe in Yahshua~Christ Jesus...ifin I didn't I would be Denying HIM and His Gospel and Doctrine...not mans/womens...
Also shared ~ I am not sure why this seems to offend so many people.
*** I dont believe it offends so many people that are In Christ Jesus...do know it offends those that are not Truely in Him...for they do not know Him...Jesus spoke on this...
Also shared ~ If it wasn't for the 'reformers' chances are pretty darn good that ALL protestants would still be practicing Catholics. Calvin, Luther, Zwingli, Viret, etal. were debating Biblical faith vs. Catholic heresy.
*** Yup!!!...its a GOOD thing that All people today can Own and Read the Holy Scriptures...however...I will not give Credit to men for GOD's good work...Everything is for HIS Good Pleasure and HIS Word will accomplish that which He has sent it to...the Reformation is over and it served its purpose...Thank you Father...ALL Praise and Glory to You !!!
Also shared ~ We owe a debt of gratitude at minimum.
*** Owe a debt of gratitude ??? We can NEVER repay the owed debt for what Yahshua~Christ Jesus has done !!!..He not only has my Gratitude...He has my SOUL...
Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here?
Posted : 28 Jun, 2012 03:28 PM
"*** Yup!!!...its a GOOD thing that All people today can Own and Read the Holy Scriptures...however...I will not give Credit to men for GOD's good work..."
It's God's work but he used men to accomplish it nonetheless. I respect them as my brothers in Christ and in the faith. They suffered many things for the Gospel's sake.
I don't understand the perpetual need that so many have to tear them down. That's what I am trying to say.
Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here?
Posted : 28 Jun, 2012 03:38 PM
ScottMorgan shared ~ Denominationalism is a sober middle option.
*** I do not believe there is a Middle of the Road...
Matthew 7:13-15 (KJV)
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
And ~ The question we have to ask is, since we cannot attain perfect unity on this side of heaven, then what better option is there than denominations? I would contend that there isn't one. Any attempt to take another road will either result in sacrificing truth for the sake of unity, or causing theological chaos in which no one can truly be united at all, because the spiritual and theological agreement that believers share would be so surface-level and vague it is almost meaningless.
*** The only Theological Chaos is within those that do not Accept GOD at His Word...Is this Vague and Meaningless ???
Ephesians 4:4-6 (KJV)
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
*** Where is there Denomination here ?...Where is GOD in a Box here ?...I really do not know why the reformers on this thread that claim to be "In" Christ Jesus get so offened by what I post...I dont get offened by what they post...I just Stand Firm on the Foundation which is Yahshua~Christ Jesus and "in" His Word...not Theology nor Denominations... xo
Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here?
Posted : 28 Jun, 2012 04:42 PM
You're really kind of proving my point, GodsJude, by avoiding it lol. Can you explain what it means to "take God at His Word," what does that look like, what does that require believing, and can you explain that without making any specific theological statements that require you to make an interpretation of Scripture that others might legitimately disagree with? If no, then you prove my point by being too vague to say anything meaningful. If yes, then you also prove my point by indicating that there are legitimate grounds for division.
Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here?
Posted : 28 Jun, 2012 08:39 PM
"*** Yup!!!...its a GOOD thing that All people today can Own and Read the Holy Scriptures...however...I will not give Credit to men for GOD's good work..."
It's God's work but he used men to accomplish it nonetheless. I respect them as my brothers in Christ and in the faith. They suffered many things for the Gospel's sake.
I don't understand the perpetual need that so many have to tear them down. That's what I am trying to say.
It is not in trying to put others down it is in exposing the false doctrines plain and simple.
Now Mr Bob you are a perfect example of attacking everyone that will not accept Calvin.
So why is it you think others should put Calvin before Jesus.
It is not wrong to follow man as they follow Christ, it is very wrong to follow man into reformed theology.
I was religious then i was born again and the lord Jesus was continually calling all unto him thus departing in entirety religion.
Are there any REFORMED CESSATIONIST PRETERISTS Christians here?
Posted : 29 Jun, 2012 03:33 AM
If Calvinism is biblical, pls explain why God states He wants all men to be saved-yet Unconditional Election, your "U" in TULIP states God has destined some to heaven and some to hell (and I wont even start on Limited Atonement). We have a problem!!
Cessationism-pls explain how Joel states that God will pour out His Spirit in the last days, claimed as being fulfilled by Peter in Acts 2000 odd years ago, that God isnt still pouring His Spirit out today when we are EVEN FURTHER into those last days? We again have a problem.
Preterism-if all prophecies of Revelation are fulfilled are you saying Satan is now bound? Again, we have a problem.
Certain Reformed beliefs are wrong ie U and L at the very least.
Cessationism is ridiculously wrong-the Spirit gives different gifts to whom he pleases for the edification of the body-take some away and you cant function properly. Lop yr arm off and tell me you can still clap your hands-it just doesnt work.
Preterism is beyond ridiculous-you cannot believe all prophecies were fulfilled 70ad without annihilating the text and performing hermeneutical gymnastics.
