Author	Thread: I Don't Want Free Will
dljrn04 View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 06:57 AM "I frankly confess that, for myself, even if it could be, I should not want "free-will" to be given me, nor anything to be left in my own hands to enable me to endeavour after salvation; not merely because in face of so many dangers, and adversities and assaults of devils, I could not stand my ground ; but because even were there no dangers. I should still be forced to labour with no guarantee of success.� But now that God has taken my salvation out of the control of my own will, and put it under the control of His, and promised to save me, not according to my working or running, but according to His own grace and mercy, I have the comfortable certainty that He is faithful and will not lie to me, and that He is also great and powerful, so that no devils or opposition can break Him or pluck me from Him. Furthermore, I have the comfortable certainty that I please God, not by reason of the merit of my works, but by reason of His merciful favour promised to me; so that, if I work too little, or badly, He does not impute it to me, but with fatherly compassion pardons me and makes me better. This is the glorying of all the saints in their God." - Martin Luther, The Bondage of the Will (Grand Rapids: Revell, 1957), 313-314. Post Reply
View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 08:32 PM "Me: since the OP chose a passage for the thread, I will address the passage she posted. By her posting the passage, she either believes what she posted or she does not. The OP is the topic of discussion on this thread... " So,.. as I said, you are challenging Martin Luther. The rest of your response is hot air. Post Reply
View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 08:34 PM "God gave Adam the ability and responsibility to choose. Eve convinced him to eat the forbidden fruit, but it was Adam's choice. Eve could not MAKE him eat it anymore than the serpent made Eve to eat it. " You say that because that is what someone told you the text implies,but that is not at all what the text,HIS WORD,says! Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 08:38 PM I am challenging the original post, the poster, and Luther in this case. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 08:43 PM Mike wrote: "You say that because that is what someone told you the text implies,but that is not at all what the text,HIS WORD,says!" I say that because that is what I read. When I read the Bible as with any book I look at the statements and the events as they unfold. If someone offers me food, I can choose to eat it or not eat it. Adam and Eve knew they were not to eat of the fruit...but they chose to do it. Eve reached up and picked it. She offered it Adam and he ate it. Post Reply
View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 08:46 PM " I am challenging the original post, the poster, and Luther in this case." So, you are really feeling full of yourself tonight, then? Because I have seen you challenging the Word of God itself, Luther, Calvin, Gerstner,Bahnsen, Gentry, "Reformed theology", Brother Mike, Sister Donna, Brother Ryan and myself. Did I miss anyone? Post Reply
View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 08:46 PM Romans 8:20. "For the creature [Gk: �creation�] was made [put under, subordinate to, to obey] subject to vanity [Gk: �futility�], not willingly, but by reason of Him Who has subjected the same in hope." Post Reply
View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 08:48 PM Amen brother Mike. I see God has sent yet another soldier to the battle. Glory to God., Post Reply
View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 08:59 PM "Or despise you the riches of HIS goodness [�His goodness;� not our free will] and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God LEADS [God�s �leading� is the CAUSE] you to repentance?" (Rom. 2:4). Where is the �free will� in this statement? "God LEADS�" is the cause of repentance, not free will. "No man CAN come to Me, except the Father which has sent Me draw [Gk: �drag�] him: and I will raise him up at the last day" (John 6:44). This verse is plain: "No man CAN�" come to Christ of his own will. It is the Father "dragging" him that is the cause of one coming to Christ, not his own supposed free will. "You have not chosen Me, but I HAVE CHOSEN YOU�" (John 15:16). "I have CHOSEN you�" is the CAUSE and it is by Christ�s will, not man�s will. Post Reply
View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 09:10 PM Again and again, page after page of scripture repeating that same message. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 09:14 PM Bob wrote: "Because I have seen you challenging the Word of God itself, Luther, Calvin, Gerstner,Bahnsen, Gentry, "Reformed theology", Brother Mike, Sister Donna, Brother Ryan and myself. Did I miss anyone?" I challenge the use of the Word of God as expressed by those who are misrepresenting it as you so often do. Post Reply

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