Thread: If you had consensual relations, then you got hitched! You signed the contract in the Eyes of Elohim, by acceptance of, and the partaking of, the fruit of marriage.
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If you had consensual relations, then you got hitched! You signed the contract in the Eyes of Elohim, by acceptance of, and the partaking of, the fruit of marriage.
Posted : 23 Aug, 2012 12:48 PM
"What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh." [I Corinthians 6:16]
Just as it was then, so it is now; there are a lot of people in the world who do not comprehend that marriage is not the signing of a piece of paper, but the partaking of the fruit of the marriage bed [consensual relations/intercourse].
Here is the Torah on a man taking a wife, the very scripture passage Shaul/Paul is referring to:
"And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife." [Exodus 22:16]
Notice that the Father did not say, "Oh, I think you need a piece of paper signed by the both of you, and notarized for you to be married in My Eyes".
If a man lay with a woman, and a woman lay with a man, knowingly, voluntarily, and willingly, they are married in His Eyes. Those three components are what constitutes a binding agreement, in heaven and on earth.
Historically according to the ways of man, there are three ways a man and woman may enter into the marital union, with the Father it is more stricter than that.
Here are the three ways traditionally acceptable to man.
1) The Perutah
2) The Ketubah
3) Consensual Union/Intercourse
The Perutah was an ancient custom where a man would publicly offer a small coin [a perutah], and hand it to a woman. If she accepted, and received the coin [today's ring] then they were married, contract closed.
The Ketubah was identical, except that it surrounded a written contract called a Ketubah. The Ketubah contained the "rights" a woman could expect, including property right, and what she could expect from the marriage.
Consensual Relations/Intercourse, that closed the deal instantly!
With the Father, it gets much more serious, and can occur with a look [if you are undressing her men], a promise [to get her to acquiesce and lay with you], and definitely with both partaking of the fruits of the union that is being acted upon in His Eyes.
KNOWINGLY, occurs, when you willingly entertain, without ceasing, the possibility of engaging in consensual union.
VOLUNTARILY, occurs when you both are knowingly and willingly engaging in communications that are of this mature subject matter.
WILLINGLY, occurs when you knowingly and vuluntarily remove your clothes and partake of the marriage bed.
Consider this. Let's say that you go into a store and buy a box of chocolates, and are looking at the box, saying to yourself, "I may not be able to afford this box of chocalates!" You stand there and think, "Should I eat a piece or not?" Before you eat a piece, you can possibly return that box of chocolate, if it has not been opened, and you have not partaken of the fruits of that contract. But the moment you unwrap that box, and dig into the candies, you just became the undisputed owner of that box of candies.
The same thing goes for a man and woman. If you unwrap that candy and dig in, it is all over. That is your box of candy from now on!
Abba YaHUaH (YHUH) considers a man and woman, partaking of the fruits of the marriage, to be joined at the hip. If you unwrap it, and really even if you merely think in your heart of unwrapping it, then you already are married, and need to go on with life, for it is a done deal.
Here is Yahusha/Jesus telling you of how easy it is to commit adultery; the same intent of the heart applies to marriage:
"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." [Mattityahu/Matthew 5:27-28]
Pray that Elohim set a guard on your eyes, cause you to walk in wisdom when you speak, and cause you to never take the consensual act of marriage lightly!
"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." [Ha-Ibrim/Hebrews 13:4]
If you had consensual relations, then you got hitched! You signed the contract in the Eyes of Elohim, by acceptance of, and the partaking of, the fruit of marriage.
Posted : 27 Aug, 2012 04:55 PM
He who finds a wife finds what is good and receives favor from the Lord.
Proverbs 18:22 niv
Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.
If you had consensual relations, then you got hitched! You signed the contract in the Eyes of Elohim, by acceptance of, and the partaking of, the fruit of marriage.
Posted : 27 Aug, 2012 05:39 PM
Am I "Tony"?
Why would it matter who I am?
Do you love this "Tony", or despise him?
Do you think that one man is better than another? By what methodology do you measure a man?
Is it because of the abundance of the stuff which a man possesses that you think that a man is great, or the amount of people who "like him"?
It is written, that what man esteems as great, that Abba Abhors!
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD." [Yeshayahu/Isaiah 55:8]
If you had consensual relations, then you got hitched! You signed the contract in the Eyes of Elohim, by acceptance of, and the partaking of, the fruit of marriage.
Posted : 28 Aug, 2012 09:48 AM
Hello Tony,
I see a man through the scope of the bible. I see man as made in the image of God.
If you had consensual relations, then you got hitched! You signed the contract in the Eyes of Elohim, by acceptance of, and the partaking of, the fruit of marriage.
Posted : 31 Aug, 2012 05:18 AM
EXCEEDINGJOY WRITES:
1)
"He who finds a wife finds what is good and receives favor from the Lord."
Proverbs 18:22 niv
2)
Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.
Ok all of you "Word smith" [Word, referring to the Word of Elohim], this response was beyond ridiculous, but no one has responded. WHY?
Why didn't anyone catch this?
Where are all of these "theologians" at, when it comes to dealing with truth, and not just what they - individually - do not like; you know "the doctrines of preference"?
I thought that the main focus of the forums, at least on this site, is ABOUT THE TRUTH?
I can see now, that there are many on here grinding their own the axes of their own theosophies, or some regurgitated theosophy of the past, but that there is no pure interest that the Word of Elohim be set forth accurately.
Look at this first remark, and of how this is suppose to be in support of the scripture allegedly being in favor of Judaic and Christian religious perspectives on the Abrahamic unions, or the pelegish unions [plural unions].
EXCEEDINGJOY writes, and uses a quote from Mashal/Proverbs, that, she is alleging is accurate.
"He who finds 'A WIFE' [singular] finds what is good and receives favor from the Lord."
Proverbs 18:22 niv
Did you all not catch this?
Shlomo/Solomon wrote this, and therefore we know instantly that this cannot be an accurate representation of the intent of the vessel whose hand penned this, nor Author [Elohim] Who inspired him, for Shlomo/Solomon had 300 women [that you wish to refer to by the modernistic, Babylonian legal construct] "WIFE", or "A WIFE".
Where I come from, we'd say, "THAT DOG WON'T HUNT!"
If the first half is inaccurate, then the second half also has to be totally inaccurate as well.
You have to remember that Abraham, who you say that you are of his spiritual seed, was called out of the cities, the empires, of his day, to "so-journ" in a strange land [amidst Satan's kingdoms], and so were the patriarchs as well. In fact, everyone in the scriptures, had nothing to do with the "civilizations", which you are now part of.
Why don't you defend this aspect of the truth, in all of your defending, as well?
The Torah was the law to Abba YaHUaH's (YHUH) people, who had been called out of Ur's and Mizraim's [Egypt's] "civilizations".
Judaism and Christianity are both fakes, imposters, because they are "civil organs", "fictitious physical entities", "false religions of neo-Babylonian origin".
Are you not aware that this religion, with over 32K different denominations, is closer to a "cosmic milkshake of theosophies", that to "the truth", singular..?
You cannot argue, truthfully, that Mashal/Proverbs 18:22 is referring to "singular marriages", when the very man whose hand Abba YaHUaH (YHUH) used, was "married" [another word that did not exist in the Hebrew or Greek] to 300 women, and had 700 concubines.
This proves conclusively that you have no argument.
The legal terminology, the fictional word/term, "WIFE", as you know it, and are compelled by the lords of Babylon to use, never existed.
If you had consensual relations, then you got hitched! You signed the contract in the Eyes of Elohim, by acceptance of, and the partaking of, the fruit of marriage.
Posted : 31 Aug, 2012 07:44 AM
DLJRN04 WRITES:
"I see a man through the scope of the bible. I see man as made in the image of God."
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Then you see a man, as one called to walk as Abraham, Issac, Jacob, David, and the other faithful men of Abba YaHUaH (YHUH), but not as Shlomo, for that is where the vile wickedness of Satan began twisting the Torah, as is indicative of Solomon's life, as Solomon mocked and then used the Abrahamic pelegish union to form alliances with men.
It was the evil women from other nations, with other beliefs, such as is prominent in today's "cultures", and not of the Seed of Abba YaHUaH (YHUH), or the number of them, that corrupted Solomon.
"For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father." [I Kings 11:4]
When you read the Old Testament passages/scriptures regarding Solomon, or any man of Elohim for that matter who engaged in pelegish/Abrahamic unions, you do not find one reference that "it was many women", that turned Solomon's heart from Elohim, but that "it was certain women", who "turned Solomon's heart from the pure worship of Abba YaHUaH (YHUH) to the false gods, goddesses, that provided the conduit for Satanic doctrines, that corrupted Solomon.
It states, "HIS WOMEN [wives if you prefer] TURNED HIS HEART AFTER OTHER GODS: AND HIS HEART WAS NOT PERFECT WITH YHUH HIS ELOHIM, AS WAS THE HEART OF DAVID".
Here, YHUH, by the prophet, says that David's heart was perfect, and this in spite of David having many [7-?] women in his life.
How can that be?
If you go an study David, you will see that it was not David's having many women in his life, that was a problem with YHUH, but that it was the way David, as a man, was perfect in every way, except that he chased after Bathsheba, because of her external appearances. And, people, this is the reason why so many of you are divorced. It was the wrong way that these worldy relationships are entered into, and not the relationship itself, that is unpleasing to the Father, that causes these Babylonian marriages, these financial constructs for purposes of lust and cohabitation, to fail.
And if many of you do not turn right around and do the same exact thing, which brought the last relationship / marriage to you, and which led it to fail.
As long as you seek you will, to please your lusts, your likes and dislikes, then you can lie to yourselves all you want, your life is being shaped the way you want it, and you could care less with that which is written in the Torah: YOU ARE GOD, and possibly Satan's seed, because you are referring to the temporal philosophy of "What is good and evil to me?" This is why so many want to see a picture. They are not concerned with whether this is a son of Elohim, but if they like it or not!
Now, that is where the rubber hits the road!
It was this same thing which happened to David. David saw a picture, in his mind, of a woman, "very beautiful to behold", bathing below him, and he spied on her, and lusted on her. She was "a hottie" by world's standards, and destruction was waiting when he acted and moved upon his lusts and wants, forgetting that Abba YaHUaH (YHUH) had already given him many women, but that was not what was on David's mind that night. That night David began acting as the fleshly men of the world, and he sent for Bathsheba because he 'wanted her', and then slept with her, and impregnated her, and then sent her away, thinking that his little sin would be all forgotten; but He Who gives life to the seed, had other plans in mind.
Bathsheba is pregnant!
When Bathsheba misses her period, she knows that she is candidate for stoning, because everyone knows that her husband, Uriah the Hittite, has been out of town for several months, and she is terrified. She informs David, but abortion was not an option, as there were none that practiced the murder of the innocent in the womb in the land, for they would have been put to death had they tried to open such a business. When David learned that she was knocked up by him, he began to create a diversion and tried to cover up what he had done. David was made in the image of Elohim, which is why he ruled many creatures under him. This is why the patriarchs are referred to as "Y'isra'el", for it means "he shall rule as G-d".
David was beginning to act as a "double-minded man". He wanted to remain Abba YaHUaH's (YHUH) son, which is a type of Elohim, but he also wanted to act like Satan, who in taking the creature from another man [Elohim] was the first to commit adultery. David could not be an adulterer and faithful at the same time, and Elohim was going to teach him, and all of His seed, who read the account of David and Bathsheba, this.
Your life is Abba's to shape, and do with, as He pleases. This is why there are vessels of wrath, and vessels of mercy.
Abba YaHUaH (YHUH) sent Nathan the prophet to David to tell him the lie that Elohim's seed are both righteous and unrighteous at the same time, was not going to be permitted to stand.
Now, keep in mind when reading this passage, where Nathan confronts David, that Abba does not mention that "it is your many women that have caused you to commit these sins", on the contrary, Abba has Nathan tell David, that there is no excuse, for David wanting another man's woman, because, He Him Self, Personally, has given David numerous women, who had once belonged to King Saul, who was deceased. Abba tells David by Nathan, that "if that had not been enough, I would have given you more:
"And I [Elohim] gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives [women] into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things." [2 Samuel 12:8]
Abba made sure that His sons had women, as types of Him Self, to rule over! This is why these women are not called "wives" in the scripture, but "isha" WOMEN/WOMAN. This is the secret of the Abrahamic union. These men are types of Elohim, "MADE IN THE IMAGE OF ELOHIM".
After Abba caused Saul to assume ground temperature, He gave David Saul's women, and David could have, and was supposed to have, gone into them, and enjoyed their womanhood, not seek the world's way, of "getting the ladies".
Financial compacts and alliances for the purposes of cohabitation, is what the true marriage of today, are about. People are looking for others who are "suitable" in their own minds; they have to have 'secure 401K', and/or be able to manage the financial aspect and amenities of Babylon, after all they are gods, each with their little kingdoms to rule over, called a marriage.
This is why you see so many divorces, over 50% in the Judaic and Christian "communities", as men and women tired of mounting one another, dissolve one LLC [Limited Liability Corporation], and go in search of another. You can marry as many times as you "want" in Babylon, your "moral" leaders do not care, as long as you pay thm their fees, so they and their offspring can harvest you and live off of you! Giive them their King Sargon styled government, with pensions for all who are faithful to Satan, and you can even be a homosexual, or change your gender with a surgical procedure, and find that they have a new title for you, if you are bent and twisted enough, called "a transvestite".
The term WIFE today takes on many connotations in neo-Babylonia, which is why the "leaders" have taken what was the reference term for WOMAN or MAN, MALE or FEMALE: "SEX", and turned it into a "FREAKSHOW", by inserting GENDER in place of SEX.
The term "Gender" is now being used as a common term to refer even to the physiology of non-human animals, without any implication of social gender roles.
Do you see men, I er mean, "Gender" in the future, wanting to marry animals? After all, they have been acting as "transgendered" species for thousands of years, already.
Abba YaHUaH (YHUH) destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for their views of GENDER.
This is why Abba YaHUaH (YHUH) did not mention use the management term "SEX", for referring to "MAN" and "WOMAN".
He gave you wisdom, and now it is being taken away from you, and you still want to play this game?
First it is the meaning of UNIONS, and then the role of MAN and WOMAN, and now these Luciferians want to tell you that you are no longer WOMAN or MAN, but "GENDER"..?
I, myself, am a MAN, and I do not ascribe to the notion that I am of gender, nor do I ascribe to any religious philosophy of Judaism or Christianity, or any other physical religion.
You no longer have anointed unions, sanctified [holy] unions of the Torah, and this is what Yahusha was referring to, when He clashed with the pimps of today's world and economy, the "lawyers". They wanted, as an alliance of miscreants from hell, to introduce into Y'isra'el Satan's marriages and legal constructs, which are not mentioned in the Torah at all.
