Author	Thread: Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men
Admin	Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men Posted : 30 Aug, 2013 10:35 AM Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men Revelation 9: 15: "And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men." Revelation 9: 18: "By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths." Revelation 9: 15; Textus Receptus: και ελυθησαν οι τεσσαρες αγγελοι οι ητοιμασμενοι εις την ωραν και ημεραν και μηνα και ενιαυτον ινα αποκτεινωσιν το τριτον των ανθρωπων Revelation 9: 18; Textus Receptus: υπο των τριων τουτων απεκτανθησαν το τριτον των ανθρωπων εκ του πυρος και εκ του καπνου και εκ του θειου του εκπορευομενου εκ των στοματων αυτων Revelation 9: 15: Westcott-Hort: "και ελυθησαν οι τεσσαρες αγγελοι οι ητοιμασμενοι εις την ωραν και ημεραν και μηνα και ενιαυτον ινα αποκτεινωσιν το τριτον των ανθρωπων Revelation 9: 18: Westcott-Hort: "απο των τριων πληγων τουτων απεκτανθησαν το τριτον των ανθρωπων εκ του πυρος και του καπνου και του θειου του εκπορευομενου εκ των στοματων αυτων" The Textus Receptus and the Westcott-Hort Greek texts for Revelaion 9: 15 and Revelation 9: 18 say the same thing. If there is a difference between the King James Version for Revelation 9: 15 and 9: 18 and the newer English versions, the difference is not due to differences in wording in the two Greek texts. The recent English versions are almost all from the Westcott-Hort. New American Standard Bible: Revelation 9: 15: "And the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released, so that they would kill a third of mankind." New American Standard Bible: Revelation 9: 18: "A third of mankind was killed by these three plagues, by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which proceeded out of their mouths" New American Standard Version: Revelation 9: 15: "And the four angels were loosed, that had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, that they should kill the third part of men." American Standard Version Revelation 9: 18: "By these three plagues was the third part of men killed, by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone, which proceeded out of their mouths." New Revised Standard Version: Revelation 9: 15: "So the four angels were released, who had been held ready for the hour, the day, the month, and the year, to kill a third of humankind." New Revised Standard Version: Revelation 9: 18: "By these three plagues a third of humankind was killed, by the fire and smoke and sulfur coming out of their mouths." New International Version: Revelation 9: 15: "And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind." New International Version: Revelation 9: 18: "A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths." The Strong's Exhaustive Concordance for third is Number 5154, tritos, from 5140, "as noun, a third part, or as adverb, third time,thirdly." For some reason the New American Standard Version follows the King James Version in saying a third part of men. But the other three recent versions shown above all say a third of men or of mankind were killed by what comes out of the mouths of these metaphoric entities of Revelation 9: 15-18. Saying, within the metaphoric language, that a third part of men were killed, like saying the third part of men were killed by what came out of the mouths of these metaphoric entities, is a clue to the meaning of the metaphor. Changing the verse wording to say a third of men were killed removes this important clue. The result is that Revelation 9: 15 and 9: 18, from these more recent translations.are more likely to be literally interpreted, that one third of men will be physically killed, and this is not what the metaphor is saying. The NIV, the New Revised Standard Version and the New American Standard Bible also fail to follow Strong's definition of the Greek word tritos, that is means as a noun a third part. The Geneva Bible for Revelation 9: 15 says "And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men." The Tyndale Bible for Revelation 9: 15 says "And the iiii. angelles were loosed which were prepared for an houre for a daye for a moneth and for a yeare for to slee the thyrde part of mem." I wonder what the New King James does with the Greek word tritos. Here it is for Revelation 9: 15; "So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind." OK. Most of the new versions of the NT slant Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18 toward a literal interpretation, saying that these metaphoric entities will kill one third of men, not a tird part of men. You cannot do that, a translator cannot introduce his own interpretation, in any more subtle way, into his translation. Post Reply
View Profile History	Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men Posted : 1 Sep, 2013 06:43 PM This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men Matt 15: 8-9 Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men Posted : 1 Sep, 2013 06:51 PM that is exactly what we are dealing with " teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" :applause: The heresy of humanism that is rampant in this country. Post Reply
View Profile History	Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men Posted : 1 Sep, 2013 06:54 PM They are "shamed" when the Word of God is shown to them and their errors are exposed. Then they repeat in their heads, " I will not feel shame, I will not feel shame" Thereby, suppressing the Holy Spirit's conviction in their hearts. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men Posted : 1 Sep, 2013 06:55 PM :yay: Post Reply
View Profile History	Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men Posted : 1 Sep, 2013 07:15 PM I forgive you two because you are children trying to act like mature christians. Post Reply
View Profile History	Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men Posted : 1 Sep, 2013 07:19 PM So settle down children........ Post Reply
View Profile History	Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men Posted : 1 Sep, 2013 07:28 PM Here comes the insults again. Nice work LTM. Post Reply
View Profile History	Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men Posted : 1 Sep, 2013 07:32 PM Its not a insult to call a child a child. Post Reply
View Profile History	Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men Posted : 1 Sep, 2013 08:04 PM 14But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. Its your pride that proves your imaturity cause if my calling you a child when Jesus says that we are children and should approach the kingdom of God as such. If you had called me a child I would have to agree with you. Why because in maturity is humility and in imaturity is pride. Sorry for agreeing with Jesus concerning you. Sorry for calling you a child. You must not belong to the same kingdom I belong. Post Reply
View Profile History	Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men Posted : 1 Sep, 2013 08:10 PM Nice cover up LTM -- However, let's look at the juxtaposition that you make in your insult. You contrast "children" against "mature Christians". This makes your intent clear from it's context - You believe that Donna and I are "little children" in our faith and understanding and not "mature". Now, you go to a great extreme using a path of deception to claim that you have not laid yet another insult out for Donna and I. I truly hope that one of your followers here will call you out for your insults and deception. Post Reply

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