Thread: PART I - "Women In The Church" By Rev. Andy Zoppelt
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PART I - "Women In The Church" By Rev. Andy Zoppelt
Posted : 22 Apr, 2018 07:17 AM
GNWS, since you like Andy Zoppelt's writings and QUOTE what he has to say about the CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF SCRIPTURES... I'm sure YOU should get a joy of enlightenment out of this article he has writtten: EXCERPTS FROM ARTICLE ... PART I - "Women In The Church" By Rev. Andy Zoppelt
Part 1: Head Covering - Introduction -There has been a rapid move away from the requirement to use head covering and the silencing of women in services because God Himself has taken the initiative in many third world nations. He is not asking for our permission, He is demonstrating His will in these matters if we are open to it. Many women in those nations are being sent out and are raising up new assemblies� what we call apostolic work.
More saints are finding they can do the research into the original language and background and are no longer bound to what previous biased translators wanted us to believe. The internet has become a vast source of information.
The head covering issue mentioned in 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 is a highly controversial and is a complex one in the body of Christ today as it was in the early believers at Corinth.
Old practices are hard to change and old wine skins are hard to throw away. The Head covering issue along with women being silent in the church and women not being permitted to teach are such teachings. These teachings have had an enormous impact on the function and liberty of Jesus� body. The silencing and stopping over half of the body would have a major effect on the ministry throughout the world. Those who believe in such teachings are of a very small minority, so the effect has been minimal. . In the institutional church, Satan has silenced both men and women for the sake of one man --- the pastor.
I have researched this issue off and on for the past 40 plus years; and more consistently in the past 10 years.
At one time I preached on the silencing of women and their role in teaching. Whenever we had a woman teach other women, we always had an elder present to oversee the teaching. When a friend I knew ordained a woman as an elder, I broke fellowship. I just trusted the translators of our scriptures. Later, I became suspicious when I heard of the women throughout the world healing the sick and raising up churches and teaching. I was already becoming more aware of the bias of the translators in using words like �church,� �baptism� and the creating of an ecclesiastical hierarchy in their translation. They knew: no building, no bishop; no king.
I have also struggled with the placing of something on a woman�s head to establish some unknown spiritual point for her and the angels? It seemed so unlike scriptures to do this, since scripture dealt more with the inner man rather than outward ritual. It was the religious who tended to focus on outward ritual.
Though the outward practices such as circumcision, the feasts and the sabbaths were discontinued under the new covenant, there were countless others who continued to try to persuade the body of Christ to practice them --- even to this day..
There are those today who are convinced that a woman wearing a veil on her head is a biblical mandate. If such was an apostolic mandate, why was such an apostolic tradition so silent in all the epistles, if in fact it was foundational in all the churches?
I am convinced that the groups who fall into this category are the most sincere. The seek purity in obedience to the scriptures. Their research into these scriptures becomes tainted and they keep reading into what they already believe. If the historical setting is revealed that points to these �suspect� scriptures, they ignore them. They ignore the translator�s bias and alternate readings.
Head covering, women silence in the assembly and keeping women out of ministry is for them a three stranded cord. Once they fall for one, they are forced to except the others.
Lately, with the advancement of computers, the internet and bible programs, we are all able to better understanding these suspect Greek words and there usage for ourselves. We are no longer bound to man�s interpretation and translations.
In all honesty, I have had to ask myself the question: �is the evidence compelling for a woman to have a head covering other than her God-given hair?� The answer was an overwhelming no!
We all understand the if we understood the question Paul was addressing, we would have a better understanding of Paul�s answer in 1 Corinthians 11, 14 and 1 Timothy 2. In these letters we have an answer without a question.
READ MORE @ https://www.therealchurch.com/articles/women_in_the_church_head_covering.html
PART I - "Women In The Church" By Rev. Andy Zoppelt
Posted : 7 May, 2018 08:35 AM
Richard, It has been noted and everyone is aware that you are DESPERATE however, your POST IS OFF TOPIC and has NOTHING to do with what we're trying to discuss here.... Since you coming on this forum, people have for years, asked you to please stop posting Scriptures that DO NOT fit in the discussion.....DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT: "... rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry?" You make the truth of GOD'S word of NO EFFECT ... geezzzz!
PART I - "Women In The Church" By Rev. Andy Zoppelt
Posted : 7 May, 2018 02:24 PM
Satanic Quote by zsoltx:
I believe the Bible contains the infallible word of God to us, but it was written by people. In some places, the writer's ideas and traditions shine through. For example, the Apostle Paul basically told women to shut up in church and wear a head covering. This clearly had to do with Jewish tradition, and is not applicable today.
Ella's response to Satanic quote by zsoltx:
"What an awesome comment. THANK YOU, my darling brother for your spiritual insight!"
Galatians 1:11,12; Paul was inspired by God to write, "I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the Gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by **REVELATION FROM JESUS CHRIST**!!"
I Thessalonians 2:13: We thank God continually because, when you received the **WORD OF GOD**, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the **WORD OF GOD**, which is at work in **YOU WHO BELIEVE**!!
I Corinthians 9:21: Paul said, "I am not free from God's law but am under **CHRIST'S LAW**!!"
John 16:12-14: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more then you can now bear. But when the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own, he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is from Me that he will receive what he will make known to you!!"
Matthew 28:18-20: All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**! Therefore go and make disciples of all nations.... teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU**!"
Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony **FOR THE CHURCHES**!... I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone **ADDS** anything to them, God will add to them the plagues described in this book. And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** from this book of prophecy, God will take away from them any share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City, which are described in this book!!"
Matthew 7:21-23: Jesus says, "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord,' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do the **WILL OF MY FATHER** in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we no prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from Me you evildoers!'"
Acts 22:14,15: Ananias said to Paul, "The God of our ancestors has chosen you to know **HIS WILL** and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from His mouth!! You will be **HIS WITNESS** to all people of what you have seen and heard!
Acts 20:27: Paul said, "For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the **WHOLE WILL OF GOD**!
God chose Paul to write 14 of the 27 books in the NT of **CHRIST'S LAW**! And God chose Paul to give the rules for teaching and preaching in the church by Elders, Overseers, Pastors and Teachers in I Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, I Corinthians 14 and Ephesians 4:11-24 and other places.
Some of these inspired writings include:
** WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY ABOUT THE PREACHING AND TEACHING OF MEN AND WOMEN IN THE CHURCH**??
Titus 1:6-9: An **ELDER** must be blameless, faithful to **HIS** wife, a **MAN** whose children believe... Since an **OVERSEER** manages God's household, **HE** must be blameless... **HE** must **HOLD FIRMLY** to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that **HE** can encourage others by **SOUND DOCTRINE and **REFUTE THOSE** WHO OPPOSE IT**.
I Timothy 5:17: The **ELDERS** who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of a double honor, especially those whose work is **PREACHING ** and **TEACHING**!
I Timothy 3:1 Whoever desires to be an **OVERSEER** desires a noble task. Now the **OVERSEER**is to be above reproach, faithful to **HIS** wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable and **ABLE TO TEACH**!!
I Timothy 2:11: A **WOMAN** should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a **WOMEN** **TO TEACH** or to assume authority **OVER A MAN**!
I Corinthians 15:34,35:**WOMEN** should remain silent in the churches, They are not allowed **TO SPEAK**, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about anything, they should ask their husbands at home; for it is **DISGRACEFUL** for a **WOMAN** **TO SPEAK IN THE CHURCH**!!
2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL** also wrote you with the **WISDOM GOD GAVE TO HIM**. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand {To unbelievers} which **IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT**, as they do other Scriptures, to their own **DESTRUCTION**!
I Timothy 3:16,17: All Scripture is **GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead and in view of His appearing and His Kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD**; be prepared in season in out of season, correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear!!
I Peter 1:23-25: For you have been **BORN AGAIN**, not of perishable seed but the imperishable, through the living and enduring **WORD OF GOD**. For all people are like grass, and all their glory is like flowers in the field; the grass withers and the flowers fail, but the **WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER**!!
So we will have to chose between the satanic teachings of zsoltx, Ella and Kay Lee Arthur and the **WORD OF GOD**!!
