Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 30 Dec, 2011 05:13 PM
For Christians because the Jews were required to keep it according to Levitical LAW of the Old Testament. So, since the Levitical Law was done away with by Christ's work on the cross, then so too, is the REQUIREMENT of tithes, or tithing all together for Christians. There is no example of tithing in New Testament Scripture to show that it was practiced by Christians within its proper context.
Do you agree?
If not, can you show me some New Testament verse where it says that a Christian must tithe 10%, please?
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 08:16 AM
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Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 06:00 AM
but there is nothing wrong with the tithe, and it does not create a burden, so whats up? there is no reason why we shpuldnt tithe, thats all Iam sayign however I still believe that we ae suposed to, but if I am wrong and I admit its possible so what there is nothing bad about it, in fact its a good thing to give to your church I personaly think its a greedy heart that is so concerned about giving God some of his money back!
ME: Sister, we are all BOUGHT and BELONG TO HIM, so what He should get back is EVERYTHING and not just money. The man made church tithe does promote some hindrances to the believer in ways because people think that they can throw a few bucks in the collection plate and they "worked" for God's kingdom when that is not the case. Plus the money that was gathered by the early church was spread out within and throughout the church body of believers and NOT TOWARDS A PHYSICAL BUILDING, it's upkeep, and a salary for a man to preach at. People didn't meet in a designed building until Constantine's day. People met in homes not because of lack of places to go but because it was a social intimate relationship amongst believers. the idea of this corporate worship never existed until Emperor Constantine.
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 08:28 AM
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Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 07:52 AM
Agapeton,
My question to you as I have asked before to others who come up with a thread on tithing... WHAT'S IT TO YOU IF PEOPLE TITHE? They are not tithing to you, they are tithing to God, and this matter ain't your business or my business or no ones business, its a matter between God and the person who is tithing.
ME: Sister, It is nothing to me whether they tithe or not, but it should be up to ALL the believers to know the difference of following man's traditions and philosophies and the "Book" they tell others to go by. You agree?
Some peron tithe once a week, some every two weeks, and some once a month. Its does n't matter if Abraham offered a one time tithe offering to the Lord, he also only fought a one time battle and made a profit, didn't he?
ME: Abraham did this as a ONE TIME THING IN HIS LIFE, sister. He didn't KEEP ON DOING IT. So that alone should say something as to where she get the tenth idea from then. No? Plus he did it from the SPOILS OF THE BATTLE AND NOT FROM HIS OWN DAILY POSSESSIONS.
My point is this... what's it to YOU or anybody else who thtie, whether Christians are suppose to tithes, or how much they titthes?.. or what the church does with the tithe? You still cannot find a sciprute that says Christians are no longer to tithe and that thiting is a sin... so what's your beef with what Christians do in the church?
If you're not tithting that's your decision, but what busniness of your to say what anyone else si doing? God has never said tithing is a sin...
ME: I did not say anything about tithing being a sin, sister. Please if I have said this then show me where so that i may repent of it. If not then please apologize for this assumption because it would be wrong to even imply this of another believer without knowledge of truth.
The Jews tithe offerings were to take care of the city of refuge and the priests and the poor, so if Christian tithe to take care of the church building, and the poor and whatevreit money is needed for in the church, what's your probl;em? Its not your money, and God isn't giving you the blessings for paying your tthes, so why are you complaining about Christians who tithe?. The church takes care of many things in ministry because fauithfull people pay their tithe offering.
ME: We in Christ are to supply for the poor and NOT for upkeep of a building, sister. The tithes we give are usually put forth for the needs and upkeep oif the buildings needs, then towards the pastors salary, AND THEN TOWARDS THE NEEDY.
If God is giving out the blessings and fulfilling His promises, who are you to hinder or speak against what God does,? You are no tgetting the tithe blessings, so maybe you should start tithing and watch the salvation of the Lord work in your favor, and see God filfilling His promise to you...
ME: Sister, I think that you are getting emotionally biased here by claiming certain things that aren't really having to do with the promises of God. The word says it is more blessed to give than to receive. With that in mind one should want to give ANYTHING WITHOUT EXPECTING TO BE BLESSED BY IT PERIOD.
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 08:40 AM
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Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 08:05 AM
And yes, we are to ask questions and test the spirit even of those who are asking the questions, for their intent and purposes of testing and asking questions...
ME: Good. I'm glad that you see where i am going with this so that we can all see what is man made and what is God ordained, sister.
But if no one is having a problem with tithing, what's the purpose of asking the question about their practice, if it is NOT A SIN... we are only to test the spirit of those those that may or may not be of God, and are of the devil... I dont think tithing fit under that catagory.
ME: Sister, just because "no one is having a problem with something" in the faith does not mean that we should not challenge ourselves to see whether we are in the right one. Do you agree? I mean Jesus said that MANY will be called and that the road is wide, so that means that the majority is not always right according to God. It is the few who keep diligent in searching for the truth that are freed. After all, Jesus asked if there would be "faith" when the Son of Man comes. Do you think He meant in beliefs or practices of the body of the believers?
So let me ask you something, sister. What do you think that Pasul meant when he said this to the believers?
Col 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
You are only providing information about what man has written about the practice of tithing, but you still have not provided any biblcial information where in God says not to tithe, or that it is a sin and wrong.. for the law is good and holy and when Jesus came He did not do away with the law, but only the law of rituals and ceremonial laws, because He has become our sacrifice...
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 12:43 PM
QUESTION: Agapeton, do YOU tithe? If you don't tithe, why are you worried about what others do or don't do?
If tithing is for the up keep of the church and to help the poor and buy bible study material for the church, and pay the pashua's salary, what is your concern?
As I've said, God made tithing for the Jews in the law for the same purposes, for the up keep of the city of refuge and for the heping of the poor, and for the paying of the priests... so if peole are still in such positions to do the same, what's Biblically worng with this? You still have not produced any scriptures stating otherwise.
Paul also collected money from the churches to be given to the poor churches in the first century, as according to 2 Corinthians chapter 8 and chapter 9, so was he wrong in doing this?
In the 21 century church, poor churches are given help because people freely give offerigns and of heir tihte offerings, and it is used to help those who come into the church who need help and for many other operations within the church and to help poor churches, so is this also wrong?
If you're not giving your tithe, and your church teaches against tithing, and is able to maintian its self without the tithing of its memebers, then PRASE THE LORD... but you can only speak about YOUR CHURCH, and not condemn or judge other church or believers who believe and have reaped the blesssings of giving their tithe for the work of the church ministry.
As I said, Abraham only won one battle and reaped the havest(spoils) from that battle, and he offered up a tenth as a one time tithe offering, and divided the other with his men, so if a person is offering up their tithes once a month or whatever to the Lord, PRAISE THE LORD!!! .... it to the Lord and not to you... and its still a one time tithe offering each month of their increase... SO WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THIS SHOULDN'T BE DONE, JUST BECAUSE IT IS NO LONGER REQUIRED? Who told YOU its no longer required?
Seriously, If God is still blessings those who tithes, and they do not feel obligated to tithe, and they are freely giving their tithe, why are you so concerned?
Is this not trying to discourage people from their faith and beliefs, that they know to be true for them in their giving? I would think so, because what they do for the Lord, is not your business or your conern, if God hasn't told them its not necessary for them to pay tithes, and is still blessings them and fulfilling His word to those who pay their tithes.
You are dealing with non-essentials that have nothing to do with salvation, and this should be of more importance than whether or not tithing is of the Old law or new law. Making sure people know how to rightly divide the word of God with sound doctrine unto salavtion is what pleases God, not if a person is tithing and it is to benefit the church in its ministry.
I think you are in God's business 'bout-long now!:purpleangel:
As I asked, what's your purpose and intent?... again, maybe you should start paying your tithes from cheerful heart and watch the salvation of the Lord in your life come to pass... try-it, you might be surprised of your own blessings from the Lord!:glow:
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 12:47 PM
agopeton, then what can be considerd sin? if the commandments are done away with, then what is sin? Paul certainly spoke about sin and continueing in it, and that was certainly after Jesus fullfilled the law, so what sin is paul refering to? I mean really, God hates sin, he did not send Jesu so suffer and die so that we can remain in our sin! thats obserd and that is as Pj says definatly aproachng the word carnaly, as anyone who has the leadership of the HOly Spirit does not have to even debate thes things, it ws david or maybe jerimiah or both I am not sure but one of them said somethimng to the effect of God has written his laws on my heart, I know Jerimiah said the word of the lord is like fire shut up in my bones! I do not have to have a scripture to know what is right and what is wong now there are scriptures but God has written his laws on my heart, I know how to please him because I have his mind! People who know a whole bunch yet have no wisdom can never lay down there pride ling enough to allow God to truly change them!
Agopeton, do you agree that after the new birth you willwant to keep the comandments? Do you agree that someone who is truily born again doesnt want to sin, and when they do sin it makes them sick about it? If you are born again you will feel that way you will hate that yoi uhave sinned even if no one knows it but you and God you will feel ashamed an when you seek forvidness for it, he will lift that burden and you wont want to do it again but you will sin again however eventualy you will not keep commiting the same sin over and over this is like the wine press or the wheat in the threashin floor God will cleanse you and santify you and regenerate you and cause you to live a llife that is not domintated by sin, I guess everyone will mess up sometimes but it will get less and less , I know I didnt care wen I comited sin but when I confessed and turne to Jesus after that when I sin I feel terrible about it, I repent and do my best not to sin!
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 12:57 PM
Agapeton said: So let me ask you something, sister. What do you think that Pasul meant when he said this to the believers?
Col 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
Ella says: For Sure darling he WAS NOT talking about believers apying their TITHES IN THE CHURCH!
Paul is speaking about worldly teahcing of men who teach false doctrines and wordly philosophies as being of God, as some teach the New Age and New Science of Mind teachings... this has not one thing to do with a believer tithing...
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Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 03:43 PM
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Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 07:54 AM
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Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 04:37 AM
Jesus lived under the blessing of Abraham as does the church in christ and yes Jesus tithed.
Agapeton we are told not to approach the word of God carnally, that is exactly what you do, there is no believing in your statements.
According to you man should not breath for they did that in the old testament
ME: PJ, Again, bro You speak from ignorance and will be ignored, brother. I've not met a man so condescending as you. Do you even know how to read something within context?
Heb 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
Heb 7:2 and to him Abraham apportioned a tenth part of everything. He is first, by translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then he is also king of Salem, that is, king of peace.
Heb 7:3 He is without father or mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but resembling the Son of God he continues a priest forever.
Heb 7:4 See how great this man was to whom Abraham the patriarch gave a tenth of the spoils!
Heb 7:5 And those descendants of Levi who receive the priestly office have a commandment in the law to take tithes from the people, that is, from their brothers, though these also are descended from Abraham.
Heb 7:6 But this man who does not have his descent from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
Heb 7:7 It is beyond dispute that the inferior is blessed by the superior.
Heb 7:8 In the one case tithes are received by mortal men, but in the other case, by one of whom it is testified that he lives.
Heb 7:9 One might even say that Levi himself, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham,
Heb 7:10 for he was still in the loins of his ancestor when Melchizedek met him.
Heb 7:11 Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.
Wow condescending to believe the word of God, you sure you and /george are not on the phone, what I have to ask is are you sure you are saved, I personally can not understanf how one can miss it so bad, The audacity that a man without the Holy Ghost, can tell the lord what he meant.
You have never heard me put AN OPINION TO THE WORD OF GOD.
HERE IS THE FACT GUYS NO MAN CAN BE IN FELLOWSHIP WITH THE LORD AND CONTINUALLY DENY HIM AND HIS WORD.
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 04:38 PM
To PEEjay:
PEEJ you have written:
You have never heard me put AN OPINION TO THE WORD OF GOD.
HERE IS THE FACT GUYS NO MAN CAN BE IN FELLOWSHIP WITH THE LORD AND CONTINUALLY DENY HIM AND HIS WORD.
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PEEJ,this is one of the most highly, audaciously,PROUDLY,
posted statements you have declared since i have been on this site.
Talk about the cup calling the water wet.
Agapeton has been giving the Word of YHWH,in question form and you have not replied in return with Biblical answers,Whether correct or not.
All you have been doing since i have been here is to give 'YOUR OPINION' and to critcize almost every single topic with the Scriptures which the people habe been posting here.
You sit in judgement of everything anyone writes and then you give YOUR OPINION,which most of the time makes absolutely no sense.
For the most part you have never traveled in the Scriptures,
or the Grace of YHWH past Acts 2:4..
For one which BOASTS so much about faith,you display very little in any at all.
For one which criticizes other about the Charisma-Grace-Gifts of the Holy SPirit,along with the Fruits thereof,your criticla spirit does not display the fruit or life of one which 'CLAIMS' to being 'FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT of YESHUA'..
You tell others they need to be repenting of sin(s),
Yet i have never noticed you having ever acknowledged any responsiblity for your critical spirit and judging of others as being unbelievers.
Othere have confronted you with the Gospel,and with sin,and you have never once admitted to those people that you take responsibility for your actions.
Never have you asked anyone to be forgiven of your sin-filled actions towards them.
By the Grace of YHWH towards me,i leave you with this warning fom the Word of YHWH .
Mat 7:15 But beware of the false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inside they are plundering wolves.
Mat 7:16 From their fruits you shall know them. Do they gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?
Mat 7:17 So every good tree produces good fruits, but the corrupt tree produces evil fruits.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot produce evil fruits, nor a corrupt tree produce good fruits.
Mat 7:19 Every tree not producing good fruit is cut down and is thrown into fire.
Mat 7:20 Then surely from their fruits you shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of Heaven, but the ones who do the will of My Father in Heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many works of power?
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; "depart from Me, those working lawlessness!" Psa. 6:8
Phil,i hope you will be taking heed to the Word of YHWH..
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 04:46 PM
NO GEORGE MAYBE YOU LOOKED AND CLOSED YOUR EYES THERE IS STATEMENTS YOU CALL QUESTION'S.
NOW AS YOU CONTINUALLY DO YOU ARE CONSISTENT IN DENYING THE WORD OF GOD, AND YOU SAY YOU ARE RIGHT AND THAT DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU ARE WRONG IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU BEING RIGHT.
GEORGE YOU ALWAYS READ INTO POST WORDS THAT ARE NOT THERE YOU HAVE TO DO WITH THAT NOT ME.
WHEN YOU WILLINGING SUBMIT TO THE WORD YOU CAN START OVER.
