Thread: John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
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John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
Posted : 19 Jan, 2012 06:58 AM
Regeneration is a sovereign work of God (Jn. 1:12-13; 3:3-8; Jas. 1:18; 1 Pet. 1:3) a radical work or total transformation (Ezek. 36:26-27; 1 Jn. 3:9) not just an addition...The SOURCE of regeneration is Christ (1 Pet 1:3; Eph 1:3, 2:4, 4:24; 2 Cor 5:17) The AGENT of regeneration is the Holy Spirit (Jn. 3:3-8; Titus 3:5) The INSTRUMENT of regeneration is the Word of God (Jas. 1:18; 1 Pet. 1:23, 25) which precedes and causes faith (Jn 6:63-65, 1 jn 5:1, Eph. 2:5; Col. 2:13)
"God effects a change which is radical and all-pervasive, a change which cannot be explained in terms of any combination, permutation or accumulation of human resources, a change which is nothing less than a new creation by Him who calls the things that be not as though they were, who spoke and it was done, whocommanded and it stood fast. This, in a word, is regeneration." - John Murray
Regeneration is the communication of the new heart to sinners by the operation of the Holy Spirit through the Word...a Christ-generated act of instantaneously communicating spiritual life to a man convicted of sin.
Regeneration is expressly denied to be of the will of the flesh, or of the will of man (John 1:13), and is ascribed to God himself. Not all men have faith in Christ; and those who do have it, have it not of themselves; it is the gift of God, worked out through the Redemption which is in Christ through the mighty operation of his Spirit, which is the fruit and effect of His invincible grace. This is because the natural man is wholly captive under the power and dominion of sin, and a slave unto it, and has neither a power nor will to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ apart from the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit.
Synergists teach that 'salvation depends on human will', but the Bible teaches that 'it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy." (Rom 9:16)
"And I will put my Spirit within you, and you shall live...Then you shall know that I am the LORD; I have spoken, and I will do it, declares the LORD." - Ezekiel 37:14
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive [quickened us] with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions � it is by grace you have been saved. Ephesians 2:4-5
�It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no avail. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe.� (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, �This is why I told you that no one can come to me [i.e. believe in me] unless it is granted him by the Father.�
John 6:63-65
You have been born anew, not of perishable seed but but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God..."�
1 Peter 1:23-25
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God.
1 John 5:1
Faith in the living God and his Son Jesus Christ is always the result of the new birth, and can never exist except in the regenerate. Whoever has faith is a saved man.
Charles Spurgeon from the sermon �Faith and Regeneration�
If salvation is the implantation of a new, infinite life in the soul, it must be a work of God. Self-caused effects can never rise above the character or qualities of their cause. "Flesh gives birth to flesh but the Spirit gives birth to Spirit," Jesus told Nicodemus. This saving grace cannot be caused by the creature, it can only come from God.
John Hannah from To God be the Glory (pg. 34-5)
The inward offer is a kind of spiritual enlightenment, whereby the promises are presented to the hearts of men, as it were, by an inward word.
John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
Posted : 20 Jan, 2012 04:38 PM
Do not add to the Word or take away. You must be born again.
*** AMEN !!! Angel...Adding to [ Inserting "Unbelief" or "Sin"] to Make it Say Something that is not there...:rolleyes:...that is my point here...:applause:...And..."You must be Born Again" is from God Almightys Holy Spirit...It is a Regeneration of Mind~( Renewing ) and a Change of ( Heart ) and ( Actions )...Yall hava a Blessed weekend...signin out...:waving:...xo
John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
Posted : 20 Jan, 2012 06:45 PM
GodsJude Posted Agapeton ~ The Scripture I have posted and asked George and you to show us All is�
ME: Yes, dear This is the verses you posted to show what exactly? As I said in my earlier posts (And I will paste them here to you now so that you can better understand the point you seem to have missed.), and will not neglect to point out again;
The book of Matthew was addressed to the Jews. We know this because there are a lot of Jewish undertones within the whole context of the gospel. Yes, it is also for us believers now, but in essence, the gospel of Luke was penned for the Gentiles in order for them to know what Christ came for.
*ADDITIION: With that being said, Matthew is also a longer, detailed version of the gospel of Mark. When you point out several verses from mark you also have to read the complete context of the synoptic gospel account. Now let us look at the context of Mark 1:1:14-15 you posted and then my rebuttal to your verses. I hope you catch it this time. :)
YOU POSTED: Mar 1:14 And after John was delivered up, Jesus came into Galilee proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mar 1:15 and saying, The time has been fulfilled, and the kingdom of God draws near. Repent and believe in the gospel.
MY RESPONSE TO IT WAS: Again, within context of the verses you posted, they are pointed towards the Jews. But we know that John went to Judea to make the paths straight.
Mar 1:1-5
Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Mar 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mar 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Mar 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Mar 1:5 And there went out unto him ALL THE LAND OF JUDEA, and THEY OF JERUSALEM, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
Mar 1:7 And preached, saying, THERE COMETH one mightier than I AFTER ME, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.
Within context, John came to Judea.
*ADDITION: Now, let us examine the text shall we? Look at verse 2. It Opens up with "as it is written in the prophets", Which is pointing to the Jewish people who would know these peophets such as Malachi who originally was speaking of the Messiah coming to visit the Temple and His people in Israel. Mark quotes Malachi 3:1. Now, Anyone who reads Malachi knows that it was presented to the Jews and that the Messiah would "purify the sons of Levi" who would normally be the Jews.Lets look at the Malachi verses which a jew would bring to mind when this was quoted towards him.
Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Mal 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify THE SONS OF LEVI, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
Mal 3:4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.
Mal 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment....
See that? The text was pointing to the Jews and that is what John came to do. He was coming to prepare the Jews for the "good news" of the Messiah's coming and bringing judgement upon the sons of Levi.
As a matter of fact, What was Isaiah speaking about when he was saying that the one crying in the wilderness was doing? Did it occur to you that by Mark quoting Isaiah 40:3 that the Messiah was coming to His people the Jews as it is said in Isaiah 40:1-2?
Isa 40:1 Comfort ye, comfort YE MY PEOPLE, saith your God.
Isa 40:2 Speak ye comfortably TO JERUSALEM, and cry UNTO HER, that HER warfare is accomplished, that HER iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
As I said earlier; "Mark, the gospel, was also "dictated to Mark by Peter" as some scholars suggest, so that too, could also be directed towards the Jews. Plus we see that Peter was to attend to the Jewish believers and Paul was to attend with the Gentiles. That is why Luke (who traveled with Paul) addressed it to "Theophilus" meaning it was more towards the Gentile believers of the Jewish God who were familiar with him and were possibly "God fearers""
So, within context, John came to the jews to prepare them to recieve the Messiah. The Jews didn't believe him. Jesus came and told them the same thing. In fact, that was His whole plight with the Jewish religious authoritites.That is why He said constantly to them that they DID NOT BELIEVE IN HIM. It is a constant theme within the book of John. That is why Jesus also quotes Isaiah in John 12. Because of their unbelief in Him. Heck, Jesus even told Peter that he would commit the same thing the Jews did by denying Him. Luke 22:61
YOU SAID: *** Was Jesus in the Synagogue here?
ME: What? And the fact that Jesus was in ISRAEL AND EVEN SAID THAT HE WAS SENT TO THE JEWS ONLY IS DISCOUNTED because He wasn't in a synagogue??! Jesus was sent to the "house of Israel." Mat 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
YOU: The scripture says what it says�Jesus came into the [ city of Galilee ] proclaiming the �gospel of the �kingdom of GOD��and saying, �The time has been fulfilled, and the kingdom of God draws near. [[[ Repent and believe in the gospel. ]]]�
ME: you are right. The Scripture does say what it says. And it stricly says that John and Jesus went to Judea. Even matthew says so.
Mat 3:1 In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the WILDERNESS OF JUDEA,
Mat 3:2 "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Mat 3:3 For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah when he said, "The voice of one crying in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of the Lord; make his paths straight.'"
Mat 3:5 Then JERUSALEM AND ALL JUDEA AND ALL THE REGION ABOUT THE JORDAN WERE GOING TO HIM,
Mat 3:6 and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 3:8 Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.
YOU: There is doubt Gentiles were present as they followed Him everywhere�
ME: Can you show me where Jesus has told these Gentiles to repent while they followed Him every where, sister? After all, You said they followed Him everywhere.
Christ Jesus is Proclaiming to Hebrews & Gentiles!!!
My REPASTE: Now, with the Acts 2:38 verse we could also conclude that Peter was speaking to people who came to participate in the Jewish feasts at that time which would make them "believers" in the God of the Jews. So, just like Jesus went to His people, the Jews, first (the GENTILES WHO BELIEVED ON HIM CAME TO HIM. We also see them come to Him with just belief in Him from what we read in the gospel accounts and in the book of Acts.) So that repentance would also apply to the Jews and Prostytes (sp) there too.
**ADDITION: I also did say that the Gospels are for everyone now, but the context clearly shows that John and jesus were sent to the Jews. To say anything other than that would really be pushing it out of context, sister.
YOU: And George has Yet to show in this Scripture where it says Repent of �UNBIELF��cuz that Word is not in this Scripture�.ya see Agapeton�some people like to Add their [ own ] words to Scripture that are not there and then Re-direct to other Scriptures out of Context to prove their point�that�s not Sound Biblical teaching�
ME: I agree, sister. Now, with that being said, can you show me where Jesus said repent to the Gentiles from any of the texts you posted there without assuming or "adding anything into the Word of God," please?
YOU: And I believe you have done the same thing by Re-directing to Matthew�Open your Bible please�In the Reference column of Mark 1is there a reference to the Scriptures you have listed for Matthew ? I don�t believe there is�Because its not referring to the same Moment nor Context of the Scripture�and yes I did post
ME: OK. Let's look at them, shall we?
YOU POSTED: Mark 6:12~ �And they went out, and preached that men should [ repent.�]�This is the Same Repent that Jesus first Spoke and Proclaimed in Galilee�What is So hard to Understand here ???�
ME: That's right! He DID PROCLAIM IT TO THE JEWS IN GALILEE as the text was clearly shown to you in my earlier posts.
I'LL POST BOTH REFERENCES TO SHOW THEY ARE THE SAME EVENT IN THE SYNOPTIC GOSPELS:
Here is the Mark account:
Mar 6:7 And he called the twelve and began to send them out two by two, and gave them authority over the unclean spirits.
Mar 6:8 He charged them to take nothing for their journey except a staff--no bread, no bag, no money in their belts--
Mar 6:9 but to wear sandals and not put on two tunics.
Mar 6:10 And he said to them, "Whenever you enter a house, stay there until you depart from there.
Mar 6:11 And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to you, when you leave, shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against them."
Mar 6:12 So they went out and proclaimed that people should repent.
Mar 6:13 And they cast out many demons and anointed with oil many who were sick and healed them.
Here is the Matthew account of the same thing, of which, ALL Scholars agree to being thus.
Mat 10:1 And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction.
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, "Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans,
Mat 10:6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And proclaim as you go, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay.
Mat 10:9 Acquire no gold nor silver nor copper for your belts,
Mat 10:10 no bag for your journey, nor two tunics nor sandals nor a staff, for the laborer deserves his food.
Mat 10:11 And whatever town or village you enter, find out who is worthy in it and stay there until you depart.
Mat 10:12 As you enter the house, greet it.
Mat 10:13 And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it, but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
Mat 10:14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town.
Mat 10:15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.
How can you NOT see them as the same event? Ironically, Most Bibles have them listed as the same event. with references to Mark 6:7-13; Matthew 10:1, 5-15 and luke 9:1-6 as being the same event in most "foot notes" and topic headers called "sending out the twelve".
Agapeton shared ~ The text is pretty clear in the Gospels. Is it not?
*** Yes !!!�it sure is�Praise GOD !!!
ME: AMEN! It most certainly is! And I give praise to the Lord Jesus Christ who is not only the Light of men but the Word incarnate, God of ALL for letting you see its clarity, sister!
GodsJude shared ~ Do not add to the Word or take away. You must be born again.
ME: AMEN! So, with that being said, adding to [Inserting "repent" to "Gentiles"] to Make it Say Something that is not there would be considered untrustworthy also.
May the Lord Jesus richly bless your heart, dear sister.
John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
Posted : 20 Jan, 2012 06:58 PM
GodsJude shared ~ I BELIEVE in Christ Jesus...I'm Born Again of Spirit...SO what is it I or Anyone must "See" in this Scripture that is NOT There ???...Do I "Repent" of "Unbelief" now that I Beleive in Christ Jesus ?......or...maybe Not seeing the word "Unbelief" in this Scripture...or...how about... "Unbielf" that I and Everyone is a Sinner ???
I love these verses because they fit so well with what you have asked, sister.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
Joh 3:15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
Joh 16:8 And when he[The Holy Spirit] comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:
Joh 16:9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;
Joh 16:10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer;
Joh 16:11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
Posted : 21 Jan, 2012 05:08 AM
Jude writes
Excuse me James...I have one more post for George...
I BELIEVE in Christ Jesus...I'm Born Again of Spirit...SO what is it I or Anyone must "See" in this Scripture that is NOT There ???...Do I "Repent" of "Unbelief" now that I Beleive in Christ Jesus ?......or...maybe Not seeing the word "Unbelief" in this Scripture...or...how about... "Unbielf" that I and Everyone is a Sinner ???...Come on George...yer Tap Dancing here...xo
Me
When we tell people they 'MUST' repent of their sin before trusting Yeshua to save them,then that is a WORKS mentality for being saved.
What you are saying is that a person 'MUST' DO SOMETHING before trusting Yeshua to save them.
ie.A person goes on a voyage from NEW JERSEY to Bermuda by ship.
Halfway into the journey the person falls off the deck into the ocean.
This person cannot swim,and begins plailing his arms.
Others had seen this person go overboard and tell the crew,which notify the captain.
The captain sees that the ship has moved a good distance from the person and cannot do anything to help.
The captain calls the coast guard and in 15 minutes the coast guard helicopter arrives.
When the coast guard crew find this person they see that the person is just floating face down in the water.
They bring the man into the copter check for signs of life and find none.
The crew then begins CPR and takes the body to the nearest hospital where the doctors begin working to revive the person.
The doctors administer adrenaline,and other medication to try to birng this person around.
The last thing they use are the paddles.
Doc says clear,and uses the paddles a number of times before there are any signs of life.
The person stays in the hospital for observations and leaves after a week in intensive care.
This is the case with the people trusting Yeshua.
Being spiritually dead and not having anyone to give LIFE to us other than Yeshua.
But you say people need to REPENT of sin before trusting Yeshua.
That would be like telling the dead man in the water that he has to swim to shore before he can be rescued.
John 1:13 You cannot make yourself to be born again. God is the one who saves, and God is the one who makes a person spiritually alive.
Posted : 22 Jan, 2012 03:10 AM
George that old tactic about sayin you said this or that notice how ugly that is, and those that usually communicate as such practice what they accuse others, adding to the word of God to say what they want to say.Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
Jesus has a whole book of those that had repented and obeyed him.
Only believe Scripture is our source of what man is capable of at all times and the lord Jesus say you deny Him continually.
Where this no believing, there is no faith and all is of sin.
