CAN WE WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST WITH OUR BEHAVIOURS ON THIS FORUM?
Posted : 11 Feb, 2012 01:33 PM
PassedOverInChrist,
The most effective Gospel that you can preach is how you live your life according to the word of God.
By their fruit you will know them, you are a good witness not just by your word but by the way you live the word of God
Be doers not just heares only, You are suppose to produce friut , a fruitless tree is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Are you a good brother, are you a good neighbour, when you are then your behaviour glorifies God and saves soul. There is no pride in Christ, Humility is Christ.
CAN WE WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST WITH OUR BEHAVIOURS ON THIS FORUM?
Posted : 11 Feb, 2012 02:15 PM
Mans writes:
PassedOverInChrist,
The most effective Gospel that you can preach is how you live your life according to the word of God.
By their fruit you will know them, you are a good witness not just by your word but by the way you live the word of God
Be doers not just heares only, You are suppose to produce friut , a fruitless tree is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Are you a good brother, are you a good neighbour, when you are then your behaviour glorifies God and saves soul. There is no pride in Christ, Humility is Christ.
Me
Let me break down your response
Mans
The most effective Gospel that you can preach is how you live your life according to the word of God.
Me
I do not believe youre reply is first Biblical.
Second,you place salvation upon man,and how they live instead of Yeshua and His life,death burial and resurrection.
Third,nowhere in all of Scripture does YHWH need you or myself to be living rightly in order to draw a person to Himself,or to save a person.
YHWH is perfectly able to draw and save anyone without your help,or my help.
Mans
By their fruit you will know them, you are a good witness not just by your word but by the way you live the word of God
Me
I had spoken to you before about context.
The fruit in Matthew 7 is that of the FALSE PROPHETS.
False prophets did what?
They had spoken FALSE WORDS / prophesies.
Mans
Be doers not just heares only, You are suppose to produce friut , a fruitless tree is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Me
Again mans,i am not to be PRODUCING ANYTHING.
The Holy SPirit is the one which produces fruit.
I just bare the fruit.
Mans
Are you a good brother, are you a good neighbour, when you are then your behaviour glorifies God and saves soul. There is no pride in Christ, Humility is Christ.
Me
I will not answer your questions,as an answer would indicate pride.
I will have you answer,seeing that the Scriptures tell me not to boast about myself,but rather have others speak for me.
Again you place emphasis upon ones behaviour as the means by which a person is saved.
According to your response,you believe you are the saviour of a persons soul by the way you live.
SO sad to see that you are blind,arrogant,and not believing the Gospel of Yeshua to the saving of your soul,or the souls of others.
CAN WE WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST WITH OUR BEHAVIOURS ON THIS FORUM?
Posted : 11 Feb, 2012 02:50 PM
I suppose the question for you George is waht does it MEAN TO BEAR FRUIT according to whay Jesus and Paul preaches and teaches?...
A follower of Christ must bear fruit.
"By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples" (John 15:8).
"Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing" (John 15:4,5).
Paul prayed that the Colossians might "have a walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God" (Colossians 1:10). Through every good work a disciple bears fruit to the glory of God.
Paul told Titus: "And let our people also learn to maintain good works, to meet urgent needs, that they may not be unfruitful" (Titus 3:14). A disciple bears fruit by doing good deeds and helping those in need.
When we walk by the Spirit the fruit of the Spirit will be evident in our lives: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (Galatians 5:16,22,23).
In John 4:36 we read: "And he who reaps receives wages, and gathers fruit for eternal life, that both he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together." Gathering fruit refers to bringing people to Christ
Matthew 5:16 - "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven."
1 Peter 2:12 - "Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us."
Titus 2:7And you yourself must be an example to them by doing good works of every kind. Let everything you do reflect the integrity and seriousness of your teaching.
CAN WE WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST WITH OUR BEHAVIOURS ON THIS FORUM?
Posted : 11 Feb, 2012 03:48 PM
Good food for thought PJ:applause:...
George, do you mind looking up in your book or on your online resource what these passages mean that Jesus has spoken about BEARING FRUIT? and tell us to whom is He speaking? ... and give us the spiritual interpretation of what He is sayng... Since you deny that there is no where in the Bible believers are told to BEAR FRUIT, and you say believers are not suppose to bear fruit.
Maybe you can enlighten us as to what Jesus means in these passages, since everybody has it all wrong but YOU...
John 15:1 �I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. �I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.
6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. This is to my Father�s glory, that you BEAR MUCH FRUIT, SHOWING YOURSELVES TO BE MY DISCIPLES.
CAN WE WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST WITH OUR BEHAVIOURS ON THIS FORUM?
Posted : 11 Feb, 2012 04:37 PM
OH George, what you have said is a little nutty, donmt you think? If the world says by their fruits you will know them (and it does say that) and you are saying that there is no reason to bare fruit , because it does nothing for the kingdom cause God doesnt need us, and thats tru e he doesnt NEED us however he has set up the way things are to be this way, that we are good examples, why on earth do we need to be a light to a lost and dyeing world if they will not come to jesus because of our light then wht is the point of shining it? God does nothing in vain, if we are instructed to be a light then its fort a reason not to just ake people feel bad aboput their darkness but to be a shining example and to have something that othres want, we can say I have jesus all day long those are just words, but if we bare the fruit of the spirit then we have things that everybody wants peace,joyforbarance love kindness all the things that people desire to feel and show toawrds others , we are to be examples of that so the lost see it and want to have what we have then we are to tell them or someone is where we got it from, come on its a simple deduction you are a smart man but sometimes you dont work the whole equation
sad person sees happ person = sad person wants what happy person has
One with no peace sees your peace george that will make them want peace too, it doesnt happen every single person you see, but if you are alwasys behaving in such a way that people see your fruit then someone will be affected by it, this is the system in whichj God has put into place and he draws people to him and part of the drawing process is he places people in the life of the unsaved that will be that witness for Christ that is a big part of the drawing process, you are making something out to be super spirtual like its some magial feeling and sometimes it is, but sometimes it is also something very physical and real to us, sometimes it is the gentel smile of a christian and someonje showin grace to the unsaved that makes a difference and causes them to want to know the Lord too!
And Scott, my intentions for coming on this site was to meet a potential husband, I came on the forums to duscuss and learn now I am not saying I lead a double life and act different one place than another all I am saying is I asume these folks are saved as it says christian dating for free, and if they are claiming christ and i dont really know them even if I did know them who am I to think whether they are saved or not. If they are claiming to be christians then I take them at their word and this site is a christian site. thats all I was saying I like to debate al though people think I am trying to argue thats what a debate is arguing your side of something amd so yal l feel free to judge me for anythign I have said Idont care I am not perfect I dont claim or pretend to be I only try to be but as long as my flaws exist you will probably see them but my point is I came here to debate and discuss why would I go to a christian site to win souls thats like trying to win souls at church:goofball:
CAN WE WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST WITH OUR BEHAVIOURS ON THIS FORUM?
Posted : 11 Feb, 2012 05:09 PM
Elisha,
your intension is right but by now you should see that your assupmtion mioght be wrong. Not everybody that called themselves Christians are saved.
That is why Jesus said not everybody that call me Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of God, but the ones that does the will of His father.
We all need each other to help each other out, to give others what we have.
Do you think because this is a Christian centre everybody is saved? If so all church goers will be in heaven, but the saved ones are those walk, talk and love like the word teaches.
I don't judge or condemned people if the debate gets too heated I just pray for my brothers and sisters, only the Holy spirit, the spirit of truth that can reveal the truth to us all,
He is the teacher, we are all disciples of Christ, we are His all work in progress, We can debate in love,not all of us are strong willed and we might pressure the weak ones amongst us to quit. Godbless you.
