Author	Thread: God's Love to those he chose.
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 10:41 AM Romans 9:1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen. 6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called." 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: "At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son." 10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated." 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As He says also in Hosea: "I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved." 26 "And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God." 27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved. 28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth." 29 And as Isaiah said before: "Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah." 30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." Praise God for his sovereign grace. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 07:49 AM "yes dona, Jacob I have loved that is israel how do you get that jacob is represinitive of every person, jacob represents a nation and so does essau!" You still have a problem here(which you realize). Why would God hate a nation. So then you have to go change the text to say that love doesn't mean love and hate doesn't mean hate. Please show this to be true from scripture. I'm also curious as to why you think Romans 9 isn't about the historical Jacob and Esau, but about nations. The context makes it clear that even if it were a metaphor for nations, the immediate context is the election of Jacob before birth. It even discusses the mother giving birth. Why do you treat this as if the birth and God choosing Jacob is not historical 9 For this is what the promise said: �About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.� 10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad�in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls� 12 she was told, �The older will serve the younger.� 13 As it is written, �Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.� Did Sarah not have a son. Did Rebekah not really have a son? These are real events Elisha. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 07:54 AM If love and hate in the bible are merely comparative then how do you define God's love at all? Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 08:04 AM Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, [[[ that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ]]] *** Ima "whosoever"!!! Are Yall ???...:yay:... Rom 1:16 � " For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to [[[ every one ]]] [[[ that believeth; ]]] [[[ to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." ]]] *** Ima "believer"!!! Are Yall ???...:peace:...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 10:05 AM There is no problem when you know Love. Love can not hate man, that would not be love. The question is will you do as Love instructed all, will you believe his word or the words of men? Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 10:33 AM Again, you are using man's arguments instead of going to scripture. God must hate if He is love. If God loves righteousness, he must hate sin. Not only are you not using scripture, but the logic in what you do say is way off. I'm still leaving the door open for you to address any of the scriptures I've given or present any of your own that teach Jesus died to save everyone. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 11:30 AM Well as any believer knows I have never meet a Calvinist yet that accepts scripture your responses are the proof of what you believe and it is not the word of God. You have the ability to believe but you resisted that and received another doctrine there is no debate, and as it was yesterday and is today Jesus is the way What is so amazing is that anyone can try and tell you Jesus a liar. He is not a doctrine he is the living word in me and we ahve great fellowship and he is not the least bit confused as to what he said in his word. Here is and he nullify's all reformation theology with this statement.4 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up Jn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 11:45 AM I already posted those verses and showed why they do not teach that Jesus died to save everyone. God gave his Son so that everyone believing would have life. That's what John 3:16 says. Do you deny this? Please show me where it says that Jesus died to save everyone. Instead of refuting the scriptures I have given, you simply call me a liar and say that you have the truth because Jesus lives in you. If it were so easy to show from scripture that Jesus died to save all, why haven't you done it? Nowhere does John 3:16 say that Jesus died to save everyone. It says Jesus died so that everyone believing would have life. That is the clear teaching from the original language. You are putting far too much emphasis on the word "whosoever" which is nothing more than an english translation of a phrase. The phrase is everyone believing. Please show me any place in John 3:16 where is says everyone is capable of believing. It simply doesn't. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 11:53 AM Amen Holding Out Hope. John 6:44 "For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up. John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit--fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. Romans 8:29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. Ephesians 1:5 he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will Psalm 139:13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. Ephesians 1:5 God decided in advance to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself through Jesus Christ. This is what he wanted to do, and it gave him great pleasure. Ephesians 1:4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love It is amazing to me that people will hold onto mans theories and not believe God inspired infallible holy scripture. Praise God for his living word he has given to his people to live by. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 11:54 AM In case you didn't notice you have not given one that states what you proclaim, Not one scripture Calvinist twist to fit their doctrine and I am not interested in being part of any dishonoring of the lord. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 12:06 PM Forget the Calvinist label for a second. I'm trying to focus on a study of the word, yet you are too focused on doctrine. I've stated quite a few times that if the teaching you believe is so clear from scripture, you should be able to give a verse that teaches it. Is that not reasonable? I've posted several verses that need no explanation and simply stand on their own. To further help your understanding, I've even broken down John 3:16 for you. I've even shown how irrational the thinking is that assumes the word "world" means everyone everywhere. None of my refutations have been met with any answers from scripture. The only evidence you have presented is that Jesus lives in you, so you must be right. That is hardly evidence. Your whole belief system rests on one verse. It's a verse that never claims everyone has the ability to be saved. It's a verse that never claims Jesus died to save everyone. You admittedly give more weight to John 3:16 than any other verse, calling it the "core of the bible". I just would like to know where you get the idea that John 3:16 is more important than any other verse on the gospel. Post Reply

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