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Free-will doctrine
Posted : 23 Jul, 2012 04:33 PM

Free-will doctrine�what does it do? It magnifies man into God; it declares God's purposes a nullity, since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing. It makes God's will a waiting servant to the will of man, and the whole covenant of grace dependent upon human action. Denying election on the ground of injustice, it holds God to be a debtor to sinners, so that if he gives grace to one he is bound to do so to all. It teaches that the blood of Christ was shed equally for all men and since some are lost, this doctrine ascribes the difference to man's own will, thus making the atonement itself a powerless thing until the will of man gives it efficacy...http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0502.htm

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Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 09:04 PM

You have Institutes open before you so Calvinism must be wrong. I don't know if you recall a month or two back when we tried this and you failed so miserably with the actual scriptures on the topic that you just stopped posting in the thread. You can debate all you want whether Calvin was a good guy or not, but it's simply irrelevant.

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Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 09:06 PM

I also have studied material from Calvinism and I read the posts on this site that are cut and pasted here. There are holes in the paragraphs that are posted...which can lead people who are searching for the truth away from the truth.

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Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 09:14 PM

The clear intent of Calvinism is to lead other's away from the truth, the word of God.

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Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 09:21 PM

If you studied from Calvinism, then did you willfully misrepresent it, or do you just not understand it?

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Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 09:24 PM

The question should be if one has studied the word of God why, should any one say they are supposed to accept another doctrine, thus denying the word of God.

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Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 09:28 PM

Paul answers that...

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Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 09:53 PM

I asked a question...why bother spending my time doing God's work if the fate of others is already determined? The question points out the fallacy of the belief that I don't have to do anything to receive the gift of eternal life...I have to believe in my heart and call on His name for me to receive the gift of eternal life that Christ paid for through His death.

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Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 10:17 PM

Fate is NOT a Christian concept. It's Hellenic. The Bible never speaks of "FATE"



"Why bother spending my time doing God's work if the fate of others is already determined'?"



Such as preach the Gospel? Because you are commanded to do so



Folks who believe what the Bible says will have assurance that when they do so, some will believe and be saved. It gives us hope and encouragement for our obedience. 1 Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. Also see Is. 55:11



Folks like yourself and others in this thread, will have no assurance whatsoever that any amount of "God's work or Gospel preaching has the power to effect a single person. Reason - every person having the free will that you folks claim could just simply choose to not "accept" it. Leaving your efforts fruitless and hopeless.



So, I ask you, why bother doin' it?

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Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 10:32 PM

More drivel Bob?



Good grief your absurd logic expoused above defies belief!



You obviously dont have a clue.

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Posted : 24 Jul, 2012 10:42 PM

More ad hominem. Not much point in continuing to answer you.

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