Yes clearly that's all I could do. I've only thoroughly refuted you in several threads dealing with multiple scriptures. That "all you could do" that you picked was not even done in this thread. Nice try. Furthermore it's a lie...I told you that I believe it is speaking of fallen, depraved humanity. You then replied that you and I have the same belief. I then told you NOOOOO because you believe it says "For God so loved every single person" and I believe it's speaking of fallen humanity as a system. In other words, this is how I interpret John 3:16. God loved the fallen humanity in this way....He gave his only Son, so that every believing one would have eternal life. You interpret it to mean, For God SOOOOOOO loved every single person, that he sent His Son, so that every single person is capable of believing in Him unto eternal life. One may sound a little more cute and pleasing to people such as yourself but has nothing to do with truth. World is speaking of fallen humanity as a system. There are numerous examples of this in John's writings. Or have you only read John 3:16? These weak, already refuted arguments are getting old. Set a higher standard for yourself. I've tried to be patient, but it seems you disagree just to disagree. In the face of loads and loads of scripture put before you, you simply ignore the points you cannot refute instead of letting them challenge you to find truth. Stop with the double standards. Stop with the whatever arguments works at the time mindset because it has led us to point out your hypocrisy. First you argue against context. Then you argue for it(still having no understanding of context I might add). First you say there is no higher knowledge. Then you say that there is but those who argue against you on this forum can't possess it.
Correction you have only expressed your unwillingness to accept the word of God as the truth.
According to you I am to accept you over the word of God, one has to really try hard to miss the truth so far.
One problem here....all these months and you still haven't been able to show your side from scripture. You may think it sounds cool in your post to say I'm asking you to believe me over scripture. However, this is not a reality. Misrepresentation of people's posts is your trademark. It's what you do best and you feel no shame at all when doing so. By God's grace, most people will read these forums and clearly see where your heart lies. Most are "intelligent" enough to see past your games.
2Ti 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of [them] all the Lord delivered me.
2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them];
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
"Scripture upon Scripture...even a child can understand."
This is just more of your "one size fits all" paradigm. It's indicative of your misunderstanding of scriptural distinctions.
You would have the natural man's understanding equated with that of the spiritual man. You would also have meat being served to infants and infant formula being served to adults. Neither of which is supported by the Word of God.
You are drunk with the wine of Babylon's whoredom and you vomit it up post after post.
Is 28:7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment. 8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
My view on the meaning of " world" in John 3:16 "For God so loved every single person"
HOH view on "world" " and I believe it's speaking of fallen humanity as a system. In other words, this is how I interpret John 3:16. God loved the fallen humanity in this way....He gave his only Son, so that every believing one would have eternal life."
If I recall correctly...every single person is fallen humanity, we are all depraved according to your posts. So how is my interpretation any different?
HOH self determination of my view on John 3:16: "You interpret it to mean, For God SOOOOOOO loved every single person, that he sent His Son, so that every single person is capable of believing in Him unto eternal life. One may sound a little more cute and pleasing to people such as yourself but has nothing to do with truth. World is speaking of fallen humanity as a system. There are numerous examples of this in John's writings. Or have you only read John 3:16? "
Me: John 3:16 in the CONTEXT of the dialogue in John does not require special interpretation. Jesus was quite clear in His message to Nicodemus as has been pointed out by many in various forums. The meaning of world has also been verified by multiple Scriptures by multiple people on these threads.
HOH wrote: "These weak, already refuted arguments are getting old. Set a higher standard for yourself. I've tried to be patient, but it seems you disagree just to disagree. In the face of loads and loads of scripture put before you, you simply ignore the points you cannot refute instead of letting them challenge you to find truth. Stop with the double standards. Stop with the whatever arguments works at the time mindset because it has led us to point out your hypocrisy. First you argue against context. Then you argue for it(still having no understanding of context I might add). First you say there is no higher knowledge. Then you say that there is but those who argue against you on this forum can't possess it."
Me: your holding fast to the doctrine of a few men have (to quote Bob and you) "refuted by many other scholars." My standard is the Word of God, properly interpreted, in context. John 3:16 when read in the dialogue between Jesus and Nicodemus is clear.
God provided His Word, preserved it through the generations, men and women sacrificed their lives to interpret it into English (and other languages), and His Word continues to survive. I will continue to proclaim it...if I sound like a bully when I quote scripture, it could be because the Holy Spirit is convicting you.
As for higher knowledge....I will clarify my view...to understand the basics of the Bible, who God is, what the law of God is, who God loves does not require higher knowledge. Children are taught it and learn it and understand it...they do not need special interpretation.
Being able to cross reference passages between OT and NT, to understand the culture of the time, etc requires study.
To understand the spiritual meanings requires in dwelling of the Holy Spirit which comes with salvation.
To take words like all, every, etc and make them mean anything other than all, every in the context of a verse or verses requires a different mentality.
" If I recall correctly...every single person is fallen humanity, we are all depraved according to your posts. So how is my interpretation any different?"
This has already been explained to you. Take this verse here..." He said to them, �You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world."....You definition cannot possibly be correct here. However mine can. Why? Because they mean two different things. I don't know why I go through the effort to explain everything to you just so you can act like you don't see the different....only because you refuse to admit you are wrong. Someone in grade school can see the difference and at this point I'm not responding for your benefit but the other readers. You need to realize when you've lost. You really think that your interpretation works here? "You are of this every single man; I am not of this every single man"....You've got to be kidding me. Give it up....
"HOH self determination of my view on John 3:16"
Not at all....You have repeatedly posted you view it to mean every single person and that you believe it also states that everyone can believe. After repeated attempts to get you to show where it says this, you still have not produced. You act like I am misrepresenting you here, but I am just showing you all the additions you have made to the text that are not there. If it seems far out there, that's because it is. My hope was to show you and others just how unbiblical your view is. It seems you are finally seeing some of that.
" The meaning of world has also been verified by multiple Scriptures by multiple people on these threads."
Yes, scriptures posted by me and not you. Let us recall that I am the one who has brought up the topic of "world" used by John in his writings and the meanings therein. I am the one who has posted other verses just to show you the impossibility that John always means "every single person" and in fact that he rarely ever means that. I don't know where you come off saying that you have verified it with other verses. That's a complete distortion of history.
"your holding fast to the doctrine of a few men have (to quote Bob and you) "refuted by many other scholars."
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here, but after several times asking you to show from scripture that the doctrine is false, you have never done it. In fact, you have ignored several of my better posts on the topic that you simply didn't have an answer to. Don't think I don't notice and don't think I don't realize that you know in your heart you had no answer. Don't think those reading don't notice either. If you cannot defend your view logically and with scripture then you should question whether your view is actually valid. Coming up with neat little sayings like "If the literal makes sense then everything else is nonsense". Do you really think the others reading the thread are that stupid? That's an insult to their intelligence.
"John 3:16 when read in the dialogue between Jesus and Nicodemus is clear."
Here is your big chance. Explain how incorporating the story of Nicodemus into John 3:16 means that "world" must mean every single person and also how it means that every single person "can believe". This is your big chance. Don't run from it this time. This should be a simple task for you. I don't have to tell you what it means if you can't do it, but it will mean that this hard stance that you take on the topic is based on nothing from scripture and instead all about what you desire God to be saying in Jn. 3:16
" God provided His Word, preserved it through the generations, men and women sacrificed their lives to interpret it into English (and other languages), and His Word continues to survive. I will continue to proclaim it...if I sound like a bully when I quote scripture, it could be because the Holy Spirit is convicting you."
Irrelevant
" As for higher knowledge....I will clarify my view...to understand the basics of the Bible, who God is, what the law of God is, who God loves does not require higher knowledge. Children are taught it and learn it and understand it...they do not need special interpretation."
I don't recall the last time I saw a child that truly understood scripture. Is some of the language in scripture plain and easy to understand? Sure, but that isn't the debate is it?
One verse for you.... "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned."
" To take words like all, every, etc and make them mean anything other than all, every in the context of a verse or verses requires a different mentality."
I'd ask you to show where this was done, but you cannot. What we do is read all and instead of just stopping there like you would....we use context and then ask, "all of what?". That doesn't change the meaning of all. That's another weak argument that has been refuted here before. Admit when you have nothing to stand on.
