Many posts on a variety of threads indicate that we need to read more into words in the Bible...that words like 'all', "every", "world", etc have deeper meanings than what even English majors or Hebrew/Greek experts understand the words to mean.
Do you believe the Word of God requires a 'higher level of knowledge' to understand it?
"If God be the originator of language and if the chief purpose of originating it was to convey His message to humanity, then it must follow that He, being all-wise and all-loving, originated sufficient language to convey all that was in His heart to tell mankind.� Furthermore, it must also follow that He would use language and expect people to understand it in its literal, normal, and plain sense.� The Scriptures, then, cannot be regarded as an illustration of some special use of language so that in the interpretation of these Scriptures some deeper meaning of the words must be sought."� [Charles C. Ryrie, Dispensationalism (Chicago: Moody Press, 1995), 81.]
"For God to say, "I hate Esau" means "I have not chosen Esau." To say, "I love Jacob" means "I have chosen Jacob and my promises and blessings will be fulfilled in him and in his seed after him.""
Your first interpretation didn't work so you just make up a new one. Btw, if the literal makes sense, then everything else is nonsense. Of course we know that God didn't choose Esau. Throwing hate out of the verse is not a way to solve your provlems. Interesting to note that if you took your latest strategy and applied it to John 3:16 we have "God so chose the world". See how silly this all is? Stop arguing for the sake of arguing and start caring about what the scriptures are actually teaching....teaching
I really don't know how to make this more plain to you. Literal does not mean "most basic". Understanding what a word means in it's context is not a call to some special higher level of learning. It's just a call to be truthful to the text. Stop making this out to be something that it's not please. For this discussion to be furthered at all, it would help if you stop misrepresenting the other side. If you don't understand, ask questions. If you do understand and are doing this on purpose, then please stop posting.
Ryan this response first applies to you, because freely willingly, oppose the simple truth's of the bible and then mock those that believe it.
You will not find any passage that tells you to understand the word of God before you accept it as the truth. The word is not open to any man's interpretation.
There is no believing in your interpretation's or any other man's interpretation's.
OP's question"Do you believe the Word of God requires a 'higher level of knowledge' to understand it? "
YES, you need the illumination of the holy spirit. If you are not given the holy spirit by GOD, you can not believe, you can not understand scripture, you can do nothing, YOU are dead.
This statement is never validated in scripture, nor will you find an example of it.
11.For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Um... there goes your theory.
Bob have you not notice how all your responses are indicate of approaching God mentally, intellectually which is clearly taught as hatred of the lord.
P.J - you claimed "Bob have you not notice how all your responses are indicate of approaching God mentally, intellectually which is clearly taught as hatred of the lord. "
If you will notice. Teach offered her "mental theory". I responded by quoting scripture itself. That was it - just Bible verses. Those verses, when you read them in plain English and choose (chosing choice) to BELIEVE them by FAITH show that TEACH's mental and "intellectual"l answer is not correct.
So, you are 180 out from speaking the truth about that post that you cut and paste as your example. You are willfully bearing false witness PJ - plain and simple. Now let's see what the Bible teaches about bearing false witness. Ex. 20: 16 16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. In simple plain English, what you are doing is wrong. Now, either you believe the word of God or you don't.
Secondly, please show from the Bible that using our God given mind (intellect) is taught as "hatred of the Lord" Just show all of the verses that say that in plain simple English. If you can NOT show the verses, then I am choose (chosing choice) to not believe that what you are saying is actually true.
Conclusion: Stop bearing false witness and show your claims from the Bible not from the "mental intellectual" opinion of PJ.
I say: YES, you need the illumination of the holy spirit. If you are not given the holy spirit by GOD, you can not believe, you can not understand scripture, you can do nothing, YOU are dead.
pj says:This statement is never validated in scripture, nor will you find an example of it.
Prove it pj, you spread your lies if as they were truth. They are only your vain imaginations.
" Bob have you not notice how all your responses are indicate of approaching God mentally, intellectually which is clearly taught as hatred of the lord."
Ummmm PJ........you did know that his post was just quoting scripture right? It's amazing to see how far you will reach. How far gone is your mind when you cannot realize that someone is only quoting scripture?
