Author	Thread: Suicide
TimothyK View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 9 Oct, 2012 03:52 AM I would like strong biblical views on if suicide can be forgiven or if it is a one way ticket to hell. Post Reply
View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 02:54 PM I never said it doesn't stand. What you are really saying is that what you believe is correct over what I believe. We aren't arguing whether John 3:16 stands. I will repeat that the idea of John 3:16 refuting election and particular redemption has been successfully refuted without counterargument over and over on this board. If you would like, you have an open invitation to show why your opinion stands then you may do so. Whether John 3:16 stands or not, is not up for debate. Post Reply
TimothyK View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 02:59 PM Deep in my soul I do feel suicide is wrong , but weather it means a trip to hell is still questionable. If you love God yet can't handle all the wordly pressures and would rather die than misguide someone else in a walk with God or continue to fall into satans traps(but maybe suicide is satans trap) are you lost now becasue of this one mistake . Not to justify but in a round about way didn't christ commit suicide ? He could have gotten out of it . Kinda like a man that commits sucide by haveing the cops shoot him instead of himself pulling the trigger. Truth be God won't let me die by suicide(not for lack of many attemps) ,so weather it would have meant a instant trip to hell or just because he has work here for me I still am not sure .But am pretty sure he has called me for something big because satan is working overtime to destroy me . I know God says he will not give you more than one can take but he sure allows it to be pussed to the edge and it is very hard some days to want to endure satan when the war is truly between satan and God . I so want to follow God but really don't like being put in the middle of his war. So tired Post Reply
Apostelle View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 07:20 PM LOL TBK I posted what I said to you in the open forum. If someone disagrees with you, you call it an attack. If someone points out the fallacy of your arguement, you call it an attack. They call this a persecution complex. Post Reply
Apostelle View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 07:27 PM TimothyK. Yes, it is extremely hard some days. God never promised us an easy life. Sometimes life seems hopeless, but with God there is always hope. Jesus did not commit suicide. He allowed himself to die for us. The Bible says that no man has greater love for his brother than to die for his brother. Many years ago, I watch live coverage of a plane that slid off the end of an icey runway and into a half frozen river. There were many people in the freezing water. A rescue chopper was there and kept dropping a lifeline to the survivors. One man, every time he grabbed the lifeline, passed it on to someone else. He even helped some into the sling. Eventually, he was the only one left. When the chopper came back for him, he had slipped below the water. He gave his life to save others. He followed Christ's example. He gave his life to save others. Thats not suicide, thats love. Post Reply
View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 08:06 PM Apostelle, I was completely respectful to you throughout our discussion in this thread. That is a fact. Your email was a personal attack on my character. That is also a fact. Rather than posting your insult publicly, you first emailed it to me privately. It wasn't until after I responded and told you to to quit hiding your remarks and post them publicly that you then posted a modified version of it for everyone else. That is also a fact. You are weak in your understanding of the word and unable to give Biblical defense for your erroneous claims. This is also a fact that was illustrated throughout this thread. Further, you flip flopped back and forth trying to justify yourself. This too is a fact that I highlighted for the readers. In the end, you were left to argue against straw men such as "Where does it say that suicides go to Heaven? It doesn't. It does say that murder is a sin" I never said anywhere that "suicides go to heaven". So, you create a false argument in order to answer it and try to appear right. The readers here are more sophisticated then you give them credit. They are not fooled by such sophistry. You also totally bypassed some of my questions because you were unable to reason through your own confusion and provide a cogent answer or defense. This is because your foundational theology is errant and Biblically unsound. So, what are you then left with in the end? Your response was more dishonesty, sarcasm and another attempt to discredit me by trying to frame me as someone who has a "persecution complex" Totally pathetic on all fronts. Post Reply
View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 11 Oct, 2012 08:22 PM And to answer your other uninformed inquiry: "Also, who exactly do you think you are to attack my theology? " I am a man of God armed with the Word of God and in accordance with the following Biblical admonitions (among others) I am able to use that Word to correct your poor theology. 2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. 2 Cor 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 12 Oct, 2012 05:32 AM :applause: Amen TBK. All answers are in scripture. If one is a true christian they will find all the answers from our father in his direction manual left for us. Post Reply
Apostelle View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 12 Oct, 2012 06:45 AM If everyone agreed as to what the scriptures say, dljrn04, we wouldnt have so many denominations and so many holy wars. Jim Jones was like TBK. He thought he was a man of God as well. There could be no other way but his own. In doing so, he ceased to be a servant of God and instead became a servant of his own ego and idealogy. Post Reply
View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 12 Oct, 2012 08:43 AM Apostelle, I could be wrong so I'm going to give you a chance to explain. I see where you mentioned that TBK thinks his way is the only way, and in doing so he ceased to be a servant of God. How is the mindset of TBK here, any different from this quote by you?..."My theology comes from God. So, by all means condemn and be condemned." Is this not saying your way is the only way? If not, then why did you say it comes from God? That would seem to be the only way. Like I said, it just seems a little contradictory so I'm giving you a chance to clarify. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Suicide Posted : 12 Oct, 2012 08:45 AM Looking back at these post, TBK is a godly man and is a student of the word of God. You i am afraid are a student of yourself and your teachers. The bible says we will know them by their fruit. Post Reply

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