Thread: Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men
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Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men
Posted : 30 Aug, 2013 10:35 AM
Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men
Revelation 9: 15: "And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men."
Revelation 9: 18: "By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths."
The Textus Receptus and the Westcott-Hort Greek texts for Revelaion 9: 15 and Revelation 9: 18 say the same thing.
If there is a difference between the King James Version for Revelation 9: 15 and 9: 18 and the newer English versions, the difference is not due to differences in wording in the two Greek texts. The recent English versions are almost all from the Westcott-Hort.
New American Standard Bible: Revelation 9: 15: "And the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released, so that they would kill a third of mankind."
New American Standard Bible: Revelation 9: 18: "A third of mankind was killed by these three plagues, by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which proceeded out of their mouths"
New American Standard Version: Revelation 9: 15: "And the four angels were loosed, that had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, that they should kill the third part of men."
American Standard Version Revelation 9: 18: "By these three plagues was the third part of men killed, by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone, which proceeded out of their mouths."
New Revised Standard Version: Revelation 9: 15: "So the four angels were released, who had been held ready for the hour, the day, the month, and the year, to kill a third of humankind."
New Revised Standard Version: Revelation 9: 18: "By these three plagues a third of humankind was killed, by the fire and smoke and sulfur coming out of their mouths."
New International Version: Revelation 9: 15: "And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind."
New International Version: Revelation 9: 18: "A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths."
The Strong's Exhaustive Concordance for third is Number 5154, tritos, from 5140, "as noun, a third part, or as adverb, third time,thirdly."
For some reason the New American Standard Version follows the King James Version in saying a third part of men. But the other three recent versions shown above all say a third of men or of mankind were killed by what comes out of the mouths of these metaphoric entities of Revelation 9: 15-18.
Saying, within the metaphoric language, that a third part of men were killed, like saying the third part of men were killed by what came out of the mouths of these metaphoric entities, is a clue to the meaning of the metaphor. Changing the verse wording to say a third of men were killed removes this important clue. The result is that Revelation 9: 15 and 9: 18, from these more recent translations.are more likely to be literally interpreted, that one third of men will be physically killed, and this is not what the metaphor is saying.
The NIV, the New Revised Standard Version and the New American Standard Bible also fail to follow Strong's definition of the Greek word tritos, that is means as a noun a third part.
The Geneva Bible for Revelation 9: 15 says "And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men."
The Tyndale Bible for Revelation 9: 15 says "And the iiii. angelles were loosed which were prepared for an houre for a daye for a moneth and for a yeare for to slee the thyrde part of mem."
I wonder what the New King James does with the Greek word tritos. Here it is for Revelation 9: 15; "So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind."
OK. Most of the new versions of the NT slant Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18 toward a literal interpretation, saying that these metaphoric entities will kill one third of men, not a tird part of men.
You cannot do that, a translator cannot introduce his own interpretation, in any more subtle way, into his translation.
Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men
Posted : 1 Sep, 2013 08:25 PM
Rom 16:17 � Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all [men]. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen.
James the brother of Yahshua
James 4
1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. 12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
14 whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men
Posted : 2 Sep, 2013 04:43 AM
I love it Jude....One of the best ways to see ones pride is to refer to them as a child and watch them throw a tantrum. Only children fight against being a child, right? adults simply disreguard the comment.
Do you have children Jude?
I know with mine when she was trying to assert her will and I would call her on it as her being the child. Her response was no i am not. Im a big girl.
Its priceless....
and what is the best thing to do when a child is acting up or throwing a tantrum> ignore them.....isint it priceless that scripture practically is true?
Their was a time when my daughter was throwing one publically and I got right into her ear and asked her if she really wanted to do this? I said because I can draw more attention to her that she can. Do you want to see?
The look on her face was what just happened? My whole plan just went out the window.
Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men
Posted : 2 Sep, 2013 05:50 AM
The false prophets cannot kill the spiritual life of some who are fully in the truth. In Acts 6: 9-15 and 7: 1-60 a group of Pharisees encountered Stephen and disputed with him. But in Acts 6: 10 they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spoke. Since they could not defeat Stephen on a spiritual level, they attacked him on a physical level, by stirring up the people against him, setting up false witnesses and then they bit him in Acts 7: 54, and finally stoned him to death. But they could not kill his spirit.
Christ in Matthew 23 describes several traits of the Pharisees. They do not go to heaven, and they shut up the kingdom of heaven to others. Verse 13.
They pretend to be righteous, but are full of hypocrisy. Verses 26-28
They build the tombs of the prophets, meaning they kill the prophets. Verse 29 The Pharisee type of religious leaders of our time oppose anyone with the truth.
In verse 33 Christ called the Pharisees serpents and said how can they escape the damnation of hell.
Serpents are found in Revelation 9: 19.
In Luke 10: 19 Christ says "Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you."
But to whom is he giving the power to tread on serpents and scorpions? To those who are fully in the truth. Those not in the truth would not know a serpent or scorpion when they encountered them. In II Thessalonians 2: 10-12 those who do not have a love of the truth are not saved.
In I Timothy 2: 4 Paul links being saved to coming to the knowledge of the truth. And in II Thessalonians 3: 7-8 he writes about those who are never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, and who resist the truth.
Those who do not have a love for the truth, are not able to come to a knowledge of the truth and resist the truth are the serpents and scorpions.
Revelation 9: 15 and 9:18, Metaphoric Entities Kill A Third Part of Men
Posted : 2 Sep, 2013 06:57 AM
No Michael...I have not be blessed with children of my own...however I have been blessed exceedingly with the involvement and participation in the lives of others children...
Luke 15 And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.
16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
Yahshua loves the little children...and we as adults are to care for them the same way our LORD dose...with love...encouragement...and admonishment when needed...What a Blessing the Children of Yahweh are to be taught in HIS ways...
Halfback shared ~ The false prophets cannot kill the spiritual life of some who are fully in the truth. In Acts 6: 9-15 and 7: 1-60 a group of Pharisees encountered Stephen and disputed with him. But in Acts 6: 10 they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spoke. Since they could not defeat Stephen on a spiritual level, they attacked him on a physical level, by stirring up the people against him, setting up false witnesses and then they bit him in Acts 7: 54, and finally stoned him to death. But they could not kill his spirit.
*** Amen! AMEN!!!... Acts 6:15 And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel�they heard him out�and yet�still stoned his physical body and could not Kill his Spirit�
Christ in Matthew 23 describes several traits of the Pharisees. They do not go to heaven, and they shut up the kingdom of heaven to others. Verse 13.
*** And then Mat 4�
Mat 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
*** Yahshua Proclaims� �Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.��HE�Yahweh in the flesh is before the people and He is the Living Word made Flesh�proclaiming��RFEPENT��
They pretend to be righteous, but are full of hypocrisy. Verses 26-28
*** Yes they do�.Yahshua called them �Vipers� for they are�.
They build the tombs of the prophets, meaning they kill the prophets. Verse 29 The Pharisee type of religious leaders of our time oppose anyone with the truth.
*** John was Beheaded physically however�however they could not kill his Spirit either�
1 John 4:3-5
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
