Many women in Christendom these days are under the complete misunderstanding that it is proper and acceptable for a woman to teach a man in an assembly of believers. Egalitarianism in the assembly is unbiblical; plain and simple. The men are the ones given the authority to teach and the women are to remain silent. They are NOT to teach. There are no verses supporting women teaching men in an assembly of believers. Men alone are given authority to teach, to become pastors and elders.
Authority over the man is DENIED to the woman according to the creation order and according to the penalty of the curse. They are to submit to the man's authority. Thus sayeth the law:
Gen 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
1 Tim. 2:13-14
For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1 Cor. 11: 8-9 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
To be clear again, it is improper for a woman to teach in an assembly or to be in a position of authority over a man. Let's look at what the Word of God teaches on this subject.
Rev 2:20
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
NOTICE THE FIRST ISSUE: They suffered ( G1439 "eao"- permit) her to teach. "Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, to teach." Now, in addition to this, her teaching was seductive. It
caused the hearers to commit idolatry. (1 Kings 16:31-32 & 1 Kings 21:25-26)
Dr. Tony Garland in his commentary on Revelation makes the following observations:
"Jezebel of Thyatira not only taught error, but exercised teaching authority over men in opposition to role distinctions set forth by Paul ( 1Tim 2:12). As Paul explains, such role distinctions are not cultural, but grounded in God�s created
order (1Tim. 2:13-14). The error of the Thyatiran church was not just that Jezebel was allowed to promote unbiblical concepts, but that she evidently held a position as a teacher over men. This is another point of identification with the strong-
willed, domineering Jezebel of the OT. No doubt, both her position of influence and the content of her teaching were repugnant to God."
1 Cor 14:34-35
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak ( G2980 "laleo" - to talk, to utter words) but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Women are forbidden to speak in church. Here is Dr. John Gill commenting on this passage:
"They may not speak in such sort, as carried in it direction, instruction, government, and authority. It was not allowed by God that they should speak in any authoritative manner in the church; nor was it suffered in the churches of Christ; nor was it admitted of in the Jewish synagogue; there, we are told the men came to teach, and the women "to hear": and one of their canons runs thus;
"a woman may not read (that is, in the law), "in the congregation", because of the honour of the congregation;''
Women are to submit themselves to the men and to learn in silence.
1 Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
They are NOT PERMITTED TO TEACH or to USURP the male authority.
1 Tim: 2:12-13 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Men are the ones that are to hold the authoritative offices of pastors/bishops/elders etc.
1 Timothy 3: 1-2a "THIS is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife...." - Notice - if a man be a bishop, etc. Not if anyone wants to be.
Also see, Titus 1: 6 -- "Husband of one wife......apt to teach...."
So then, when are women permitted to teach men in an assembly ( a gathering of believers)? They are not. That means not taking an authoritative tone and/or not having the intent to "school" a man in what they need to know. Woman are not to have a didactic attitude toward a man. Period.
Do women have any authority to teach at all? Yes, they do.
Titus 2:3-5 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their
children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
Can any woman teach other women? NO.. only those who are "aged" ( that is mature in the faith) . They must also first have behavior which becometh holiness, not false accusers, not drunkards and teachers of "good things" What are the older women to teach the younger?
-Love husbands
-Love children
-Discretion
-Chastity
-Homemaking
-Goodness (character)
-Submission to ones husband
NOTICE: Women are not told that they may teach theological issues even to other women.
OBJECTIONS:
1. Men and women are equal
Galatians 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
This verse relates to salvation, it has nothing to do with authority or office. It has nothing to say about our subject whatsoever. Those who try to apply this verse otherwise do so in exegetical error.
2. What about Deborah, Ruth, Esther, etc.
What about them?
3. What about Priscilla? She taught Apollos.
Acts 18:26
"And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly."
First, notice that she and her husband took Apollos aside. This confirms that Priscilla understood the command against speaking in an assembly. Also, please take notice that the Scripture is not specific who did the "expounding". All we can conclude from this is that the husband and wife were together when Apollos was being instructed.
4. What about Timothy?
2 Timothy 1:51
"I am reminded of your sincere faith, a faith that dwelt first in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice and now, I am sure, dwells in you as well."
2 Timothy 3:15
"You have been taught the holy Scriptures from childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus."
All that we can conclude here is that Timothy was raised in the faith. He was taught the Scriptures as a child -- not as a man.
Ha Ha...Oh no...Thank you for doing your best to do what it is you is do..:rolleyes:....although I wouldn't call it entertaining...more like...well...never mind...its best to just leave you to it...:goofball:
Act 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
*** Ya...hava a God Blessed and HOLYSpirit Filled day...:yay:... x <>< O
The following Scriptures are the inspired words of God:
I Timothy 2:11: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent.
I Cor 14:33-35: "In *ALL* the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
However women may witness to men outside of the church as per Acts 18:26: When Priscilla and Aquila heard **him**, they invited *him* to their home and {THEY-plural} explained to him the way of God more adequately."
Since boys do do become "men" in God's Word until they are 12 years old I believe a woman can teach boys 11 years and under in Sunday School.
Women may also teach other women of all ages in Sunday School or in women's only services with boys under 12 present. {See Titus 2:3-5}
I would not consider this Open Forum for all beliefs; to be a "church" and since there are women in this forum it is certainly permissable for women to teach God's Word here to other women. If a man doesn't believe a women can teach on this forum since there are men here then he doesn't have to read the women's posts.
Women may not be overseers, deacons or elders as per I Timothy 3:2,8 & Titus 1:6
Still waiting for the answers to these questions...
You posted on the Biblical Questions and Discussions Forum...if women can post men's words and not be 'rebuked' for it then what is the difference in a woman posting Scripture? �And if that same woman who posts men's words posts her own thoughts without being rebuked for it why would another woman be rebuked for posting her thoughts?
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Here is a much fuller explanation of what a Jezebel spirit looks like in a woman.
"The very first, and probably most outstanding quality of a person with a Jezebel Spirit, is their undeniable, ever-present need to always be right! They are not humble people who seek the input of others, but have an unquenchable desire to �win� over you in everything. "
" firm conviction that he or she is better, smarter, or more talented than other people; becomes irritated when other people don�t automatically do what he or she wants them to do;"
"The second thing, highest on our list, is the �chameleon� Spirit she possesses that allows her to appear a certain way, but not actually be that way. She will adapt to her surroundings to seem like a loving, charming, and even peaceful person, all the while trying to get a hold of your soul. She will appear to blend in, and suddenly, out of nowhere, stick her tongue out, and swallow you up, by verbally attacking you."
"She is the one who �wears the pants� in the marriage/family, the overbearing, bossy, in-control, in charge, dominating woman, who is outspoken, bold, and militaristic. "
"Jezebel will often mix religious terms and phrases to appear godly, but her life doesn�t produce godliness. Following her life and example will lead to rebellion, darkness, anger, and strife."
"You will many times find a Jezebel woman involved in various types of teaching activities; not only in religious settings, but also places such as schools and in various types of counseling. The reason for this is their need to be an influence to people. The spirit within them drives them to want to reproduce themselves and their teachings to other people. "
"She is a master of the �blaming game,� and is extremely clever in gaining sympathy for herself by producing convincing arguments for her case, usually portraying herself as fair in her assessments. She will twist and turn information to better fit her,"
"A Jezebel spirit will never admit any fault or wrong-doing."
Women may witness to men outside of the church as per Acts 18:26: When Priscilla and Aquila heard **HIM**, they invited *HIM* to their home and {THEY-plural} explained to him the way of God more adequately."
If only Aquila explained to *HIM* the way God more adequately then Acts 18:26 would have read: When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited *HIM* to their home and {Aquila} explained to *HIM* the way of God more adequately!!
According to God's inspired Word *BOTH* Priscilla and Aquila **EXPLAINED** to *HIM* the way of God more adequately in Acts 18:26 above.
I would not consider this Open Forum for all beliefs; to be a "CHURCH"; and since there are women in this forum it is certainly permissable for women to teach God's Word here to other women. If a man doesn't believe a women can teach on this forum since there are men here then he doesn't have to read the women's posts.
:waving:...I love you Richard!!!...you always post the "simple" scriptures concerning the topic of discussion...BRAVO :applause:...
*** Oh my...Poor IWA...Maybe IWA needs to "google" the spirit of "Beliel"...because he sure is on a Roll with the Jezebel spirit again...:laugh:...Here lemme help ya out...
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2004/20040111.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belial
*** And of course this one you will no doubt really enjoy the most...just for you IWA...
Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
:applause:..Amen!...AMEN!!!!...Yes Lord YES!!!
Psa 97:10 Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.
:bouncy:...Amen!...AMEN!!!...Yes Lord YES!!!
Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
:peace:...Amen!...AMEN!!!...YES LORD YES!!!...I LOVE Richard...Teach...Mark...SomeBuddysDream...even Donna and IWA...I believe I have had an Epiphany....YIPPYYYYY....I see that I've been LOVING my Neighbor IWA the same way he has been Loving me...:winksmile:
1 John 3:18 My little children, let us NOT LOVE IN WORD, neither in tongue; but in DEED AND IN TRUTH.
*** You keep posting this scripture and yet you do not understand what it is saying...
:rolleyes:..Vu~ja~de...the rememberance of seeing this on a different thread about something completely different...ya...I just thought that up...:laugh:
Epiphany ~ Big word...what does it mean ???...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_(feeling)
Question: "Is 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you' a biblical statement?"
Answer: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," commonly known as "The Golden Rule," is indeed a biblical principle. Luke 6:31 records Jesus saying, �Do to others as you would have them do to you.� This statement is in the context of a lesson from Jesus about loving our enemies. Jesus took the conventional quid pro quo method of treating people and turned it on its head (see Matthew 5:38-48). Rather than doing to others what they have done to us or giving them what they may deserve, we are to treat them the way we want them to treat us.
In Matthew 7:12 Jesus says, �So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.� Thus, the Golden Rule has always been a basic part of the Bible�s message. Later in Matthew, when asked what the greatest commandment is, Jesus responded, ��Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.� This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: �Love your neighbor as yourself.� All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments� (Matthew 22:37-40). The night of His arrest, Jesus said to His disciples, �A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another� (John 13:34-35). Jesus� love for us is perfect, unchanging, and self-sacrificial. Our capacity to love others the way Jesus commands comes only from our experience of His love and from the power of the Holy Spirit.
One practical way to love others better is to imagine ourselves in their shoes. When we pause to think how we might like to be treated in a certain situation, we build empathy for those actually living that situation. Do we like to be treated with love and respect? Then we should give that gift to others.
SOoooo...ifin I desire IWA to treat me and others here with Love...then we must continue to Kill him with his kind of Kindness...right ???...:rolleyes:..."Epiphany"...No that's not right...we must continue to LOVE him Unconditionally even when he is being a Big Bad Booger with Sugar on top...:excited:..Oh LORD Yahshua...ima gona need You and the patients of the Saints for this...:yay:..I LOVE YOU IWA and Yahshua does too...:bouncy:...
