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ARECWE BORN AGAIN BY INFANT BAPTISM AND GOOD WORKS??
Posted : 11 Oct, 2016 12:48 PM
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES:
To be born again is to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The soul goes into the state of grace, the effects of original sin are washed away, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit occurs. This is why infants should be baptized as soon as possible after birth.???
And ADAM7777 teaches we are born again by good works and obeying OT laws.???
BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY??
John 3:3: Jesus says, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the Kingdom of God unless he is **BORN AGAIN**!!"
John 1:12,13: To all who received Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God--children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision, or a husband's will, but **BORN OF GOD**!
QUESTION: Do infants receive Jesus and believe in His name???
Romans 19:8-10: The Word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, that is, the **WORD OF FAITH** we are proclaiming: That if you **CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH, "Jesus is Lord," and be believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your **MOUTH** that you **CONFESS** and are saved!!
QUESTION: Do infants believe in their hearts and confess Jesus with their mouths???
I John 5:3,4: Everyone who is **BORN OF GOD** overcomes the world. This is the victory that overcomes the world, **EVEN OUR FAITH**.
QUESTION: Do infants overcome the world with their **FAITH**???
John 6:37,39,44, 65: Jesus says, "All that the Father gives Me **WILL** come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will **NEVER** drive away!... For My Father's will is that everyone who **LOOKS TO THE SON AND BELIEVES IN HIM** shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the Last Day!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father **DRAWS** him. and I will raise him up at the Last Day!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father has **ENABLED** him!!"
QUESTION: Do infants look to the Son and believe in Him???
I Peter 1:22-25: Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the Truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply from the heart. For you have be **BORN AGAIN**, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring **WORD OF GOD**. For, all men {Including popes} are like grass, all their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the **WORD OF THE LORD STANDS FOREVER**. And this is the Word that was preached to you!!
QUESTION: Are infants **BORN AGAIN** through the living and enduring **WORD OF GOD** or by some Roman Catholic Priest sprinkling water on him???
ARECWE BORN AGAIN BY INFANT BAPTISM AND GOOD WORKS??
Posted : 1 Nov, 2016 08:13 PM
**WE ARE ALL EAGERLY WAITING FOR OUR ETERNAL RENDEZVOUS WITH JESUS**
I Peter 1:13: �Therefore, prepare your minds for ACTION, and set your hope *FULLY* on the grace to be given YOU when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED*.
Titus 2:13: �*WE* wait for the *BLESSED HOPE*�the glorious *APPEARING* of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
I Cor 1:7: �YOU do not lack any spiritual gift as YOU eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be *REVEALED*.�
Now the pre-tribbers claim that this glorious *REVEALING or *REVELATION* of Jesus will be *CONCEALED* BEFORE the beginning of the Great Tribulation. However, every other time the Word *REVEALED* {Greek-Apocalipsis} is used related to resurrection events it refers to the glorious REVEALING of Jesus on the *LAST DAY* of the Great Tribulation {See 2 Thess 1:7-10 & Luke 17:26-31}. And *CONCEALED* is the exact opposite of *REVEALED* and *APPEARED* according to every dictionary!
Titus 2:13 We wait for the **BLESSEDHOPE**---the glorious **APPEARING** of our great God and Savior,Jesus Christ!!
�Jesus will *APPEAR* a 2nd time {And not a 3rd TIME!} to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him!�
Colossians 1:2; 3:4: �To the holy and faithful brothers in Christ.... When Christ, who is your life **APPEARS**, then you also will **APPEAR** with Him in glory.�
I John 3:2,3: �When Jesus *APPEARS*, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. Everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure!!�
Matthew 24:29,30: Jesus says, �IMMEDIATELY AFTER the distress of those days {The Great Tribulation} the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will *APPEAR in the sky and the nations will *SEE* the Son of Man COMING on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory!!� I John 2:28: �Dear children, continue in Him, so that when He *APPEARS* WE may be confident and unashamed before Him at His COMING!� {See 2 Thess 1:7-10; I Tim 6:14; Heb 9:28 & Col 3:4}
2 Tim 4:8: Paul said, There is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on THAT DAY�and not only to me, but to *ALL who have longed for His *APPEARING*!!�
I Peter 5:4: �When the Chief Shepherd **APPEARS**, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away!�
2 Thess 1:1,6-10: �To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians�God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is *REVEALED* {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire�. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting *DESTRUCTION* and shut out from the presence of the Lord *ON THE DAY HE COMES* to be glorified in His holy people!!�
A meeting at an appointed place and time is called a RENDEZVOUS. We have a RENDEZVOUS with eternity at the glorious *APPEARING* and *REVEALING* of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ *IMMEDIATELY AFTER* the 1260-day Great Tribulation.
ARECWE BORN AGAIN BY INFANT BAPTISM AND GOOD WORKS??
Posted : 2 Nov, 2016 09:03 AM
WHO WILL BE GOD'S TWO WITNESSES {REV 11:3} OR MEN {REV 11:6} OR PROPHETS {REV 11:10}??
Zechariah 4:11,14: "Then I asked the angel, 'What are these *TWO* OLIVE TREES {See Rev 11:4 below} on the right and left of the lamp stand?'... the angel said, 'These are the TWO who are anointed to serve the Lord of the earth!'" Rev 11:3-6: {God said to John} "I will give power to My *TWO* witnesses and they will prophesy for 1260 days clothed in sackcloth! These are the *TWO OLIVE TREES {See Zech 4:11,14 above} and the 2 lamp stands that stand before the Lord of the earth. If anyone tries to harm them, fire will come from their mouths to destroy their enemies. This is how anyone who tries to harm them must die {See 2 Kings 1:9-12; Num 16:31-35}.
These *MEN* will have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying {See 1 Kings 17:1; Luke 4:25; James 5:17}; and they will have power to turn the waters into blood {See Exodus 7:15-23} and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they wish."
Moses and Elijah witnessed to 3 Apostles on the mount of Transfiguration when Moses & Elijah spoke to Jesus about his departure or Ascension, which Jesus was to bring to fulfillment in Jerusalem 40 days after His resurrection. Luke 9:30,31: �TWO MEN, Moses and Elijah, appeared in GLORIOUS SPLENDOR talking with Jesus. They spoke about His Departure {Or Ascension} which He was about to bring to fulfillment in Jerusalem."
Moses and Elijah were most assuredly the *TWO MEN* dressed in white who witnessed at the Departure or Ascension of Jesus in Acts 1:10,11: "They looked up into the sky as He {Jesus} was going when suddenly *TWO MEN* dressed in WHITE stood beside them. "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into Heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into Heaven!"
And then in Luke 24:2b-6b we read: They did not find the body of Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly *TWO MEN*... stood beside them... And the *MEN* said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? HE IS NOT HERE; HE HAS RISEN!!" Jesus says in John 8:17b: "The testimony of *TWO MEN IS VALID* and of course the testimony of Moses and Elijah is just about as valid as you can get.
And so the coming of God's *TWO MEN* or witnesses to prophesy for 1260 days {See Rev 11:3-7} will be their FOURTH appearance as God's 2 witnesses or MEN. And the reason that their names are not mentioned in Luke 24:3 and Acts 1:10 and Rev 11:3-12 is that the Father, Moses and Elijah want us to glorify *NO ONE ELSE BUT JESUS*!!
Moses and Elijah will most likely witness miraculously to people in the uttermost parts of the earth in all 6,000 languages. Presently the Bible has been translated into about 2,000 languages from the inspired Greek and Hebrew manuscripts and faith comes from hearing or reading the sword of the spirit which is the Word of God. The Bible still has not been translated into about 4,000 languages and Rev 5:9b and Rev 7:9,13,14 must be completely fulfilled. Surely the courageous tribulation saints will help Moses and Elijah spread God's Word. They will do a fantastic job since according to Rev 7:9,14 there will be a great multitude from EVERY TRIBE AND LANGUAGE who will be �WASHED IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB�.
Moses & Elijah will be dressed in SACKCLOTH which is appropriate since the Tribulation saints will be very poor, for they will not be able to buy or sell anything as per Rev 13:17. Moses and Elijah will certainly speak the Word of God with great power and love. They will not add or take words away from the Prophetic Words of God {See Rev 22:18,19}; and they will encourage God's courageous saints to adhere to *ALL* of the NT commandments {See Rev 12:13b; 14:12b; Matt 28:20a; John 14:15,21,23; I John 2:2-5} with love {See Matt 5:39-48 & Rom 12:17-21} in the face of severe and hostile persecution.
Moses and Elijah will begin their 1260-day testimony {Rev 11:3} 3 1/2 days before the coming of 666 & the 1260-day Great Tribulation and 1263 1/2 days before the Last Day. {*THE FIRST END-TIME EVENT*} Moses and Elijah will warn us of the coming of 666 & his False Prophet. It seems very appropriate that God will send His TWO PROPHETS {See Rev 11:10b} to warn and prepare His saints for the coming of Satan, 666 and the Great Tribulation for in Amos 3:7 we read: "Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing His plan to His servants the PROPHETS!"
GOD'S PROPHETS are mentioned 8 times in Revelation: Revelation 10:7; 11:10; 11:18; 16:6; 18:20,24; 22:6 & 22:9. Whereas; preachers, pastors and evangelists are not even mentioned once in Revelation!
God will allow 666 to martyr Moses and Elijah {See Rev 11:7,8} right where their Lord was crucified. {At the new *HOLY PLACE* where Jesus shed his blood for our sins} 3 1/2 days later Moses and Elijah will rise to heaven just hours before the 7th angel sounds the 7th Trump at the 2nd coming of Jesus.{See Rev 11:11-18} Mark 13:14: Jesus says, �When you see 666 standing where he does not belong {AT THE NEW HOLY PLACE}....then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.� {See Rev 11:7,8 & Rev 16:15} John 2:19: Jesus said, �Destroy this TEMPLE and I will raise it again in 3 days.� This HOLY PLACE is where Jesus became the chief cornerstone {Eph 2:20,21} and we are living stones {I Pet 2:5 & 2 Cor 6:16} in the LAST TEMPLE made without hands! {Acts 17:24} Certainly, the old Jerusalem and the old Temple site are NO LONGER HOLY PLACES. Hebrews 13:12-14: "Jesus suffered outside the city gate to make the people HOLY THROUGH HIS BLOOD. Let us, then, go to Him outside the city, bearing the disgrace He bore. For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the CITY {THE NEW JERUSALEM} that is to come." {See Heb 11:10,13-16; Heb 12:22; Rev 3:12b; 21:2,10-27; 22:1-5; 2 Pet 3:13}
Gal 4:25,26: "Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem {Called Sodom in Rev 11:8} because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is ABOVE is free, and she is our mother."{THE *NEW* JERUSALEM}
ARECWE BORN AGAIN BY INFANT BAPTISM AND GOOD WORKS??
Posted : 3 Nov, 2016 11:37 AM
**WERE PAUL & BARNABAS THE LAST 2 APOSTLES??**
Now the Roman Catholic Church believes that Acts 1:23-25 below proves that their church has the power to choose future Apostles, which are also bishops, in Apostolic Succession???
Quote from ludlowlowell:
Every Catholic bishop is an apostle.{???} Catholic bishops are the successors of the apostles.{???} How wonderful it is to be a Catholic, and part of this history.
Acts 1:23-25: So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas also known as Justus and Matthias. Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which of these two **YOU HAVE CHOSEN** to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs." Then **THEY CAST LOTS**{??}, and the **LOT** fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven Apostles.
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY??**
John 15:16: Jesus said to His Apostles, "You did not choose Me. but **I CHOSE YOU**and appointed you to go and bear fruit--fruit that will last!!"
Ephesians 4:7,11-13: But to each one of us grace has been given as **CHRIST APPORTIONED IT **... It is **HE** {Not other Apostles or Bishops}who gives some to be **APOSTLES**, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists. and some to be pastors and teachers!!
Acts 9:5,6,11,15: As he {Saul or Paul} neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a Voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" "Who are you, Lord," Saul asked. ""I am Jesus whom you are persecuting." He replied. "Now get up and go into the city , and you will be told what you must do!"...The Lord called to him in a vision, "Ananias!" "Yes Lord," he replied. The lord said to him, "Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying... The Lord said to Ananaias, Go! This man is **MY CHOSEN INSTRUMENT** to carry My name before the Gentiles and their kings and before the people of Israel!"
I Timothy 1:1: Paul, an **APOSTLE** of Christ Jesus **BY THE COMMAND** of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope!
And so Paul chosen By Jesus and not Matthias chosen by men by LOT became the 12th Apostle. And after the Apostle James was put to death in Acts 12:2 we see that Paul and Barnabas were called **APOSTLES** in Acts 14:1,4,14. And so Barnabas mentioned 34 times in God's Word and who was the constant companion of Paul replaced James as the 12th and **LAST APOSTLE**!! And Peter was wrong when he claimed that the next Apostle had to be present at the Resurrection of Jesus since the only requirement for the next Apostle was that he Had to be **CHOSEN BY JESUS** and not by men!!
Acts 13:2-5: While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me **BARNABAS AND SAUL** for the work to which I have called them."''' The two of them, sent on their way by the Holy Spirit, went down to Selucia and sailed from there to Cyprus. When they arrived at Salamis, they proclaimed the Word of God... John (The **APOSTLE**} was with them as their helper!!
Acts 14:1-4,14: At Iconium **PAUL AND BARNABAS** went as usual into the Jewish synagogue There they spoke so effectively that a great number of Jews and Gentiles believed.... So **PAUL AND BARNABAS** spent considerable time there speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the **MESSAGE OF GRACE** by enabling them to do miraculous signs and wonders. The people of the city were divided, some sided with the Jews, others with the **APOSTLES**..The crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them. But when the **APOSTLES** **PAUL AND BARNABAS** heard of this...
Romans 1:1: Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an **APOSTLE** and set apart for the Gospel of God!!
Now the Roman Catholic Church says that Acts 1:23-25 above proves in Apostolic succession by the Roman Catholic Church Bishops or **APOSTLES** who can **CHOOSE** the future Apostles; but Ephesians 4:7,11-13 above shows that Jesus on **ONLY JESUS**; and not any Church can **CHOOSE APOSTLES**!!
ARECWE BORN AGAIN BY INFANT BAPTISM AND GOOD WORKS??
Posted : 3 Nov, 2016 08:11 PM
WHO IS THE WOMAN IN REVELATION 12 AND WHO ARE HER OFFSPRING??
Galatians 4:22,23,28,31: �Abraham had 2 sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the Free Woman. His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a "PROMISE"!....You brother, like Isaac {Sarah's son}, are children of "PROMISE"....The slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the Free Woman's son. Therefore, brothers, **WE** are not children of the slave woman {Hagar} but of the Free "WOMAN"{Sarah}!!�
According to Galatians 3:16 Jesus is also the offspring of Abraham and Sarah !! Galatians 3:29: �If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.�
Revelation 12:1,5,17: A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of 12 stars on her head.........She gave birth to a son, a male child {Jesus}, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her Child was snatched up to God {The Father} and to His throne....The woman's offspring are those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus!�
Just before the coming of 666 and the 1260-day or 42-month Great Tribulation in Revelation 13:1 we read in Rev 12:17; 13:1,5,7: Then the dragon {Satan} was enraged at the woman {Sarah} and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring--THOSE WHO OBEY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AND HOLD TO THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS!!" And the dragon {Satan} stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw Beast {666} coming out of the Sea {Or Abyss or Hell as per Rev 11:7 & 17:8 & Luke 8:31}.....The Beast will exercise his authority for 42 months..... He will be given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he will be given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, language and nation.
And so according to Rev 12:6,14 Satan will attack some of God's saints but they will be protected in God's sanctuary in the wilderness for 1260 days.
Then in Rev 12:17 Satan will attack the rest of God's saints �WHO OBEY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AND HOLD TO THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS� **just before** the coming of 666 and the beginning of the 1260-day or 42-month Great Tribulation as shown in Revelation 13:1-5.
And so Revelation 12 also shows that the pre-trib rapture of God's courageous saints at the beginning of the Great Tribulation is a ridiculous fairy tale. Since some of God's saints will be protected in the wilds for 1260 days and Satan will make war with the rest of God's saints WHO OBEY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AND HOLD TO THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS JUST **BEFORE** THE COMING OF 666!!
Revelation 12:11: "They {The Tribulation Martyrs} overcame him {Satan} by the blood of the Lamb and by the Word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death."
Revelation 3:21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne!!"
ARECWE BORN AGAIN BY INFANT BAPTISM AND GOOD WORKS??
Posted : 3 Nov, 2016 08:14 PM
WHO IS THE WOMAN IN REVELATION 12 AND WHO ARE HER OFFSPRING??
Galatians 4:22,23,28,31: �Abraham had 2 sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the Free Woman. His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a "PROMISE"!....You brother, like Isaac {Sarah's son}, are children of "PROMISE"....The slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the Free Woman's son. Therefore, brothers, **WE** are not children of the slave woman {Hagar} but of the Free "WOMAN"{Sarah}!!�
According to Galatians 3:16 Jesus is also the offspring of Abraham and Sarah !! Galatians 3:29: �If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.�
Revelation 12:1,5,17: A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of 12 stars on her head.........She gave birth to a son, a male child {Jesus}, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her Child was snatched up to God {The Father} and to His throne....The woman's offspring are those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus!�
Just before the coming of 666 and the 1260-day or 42-month Great Tribulation in Revelation 13:1 we read in Rev 12:17; 13:1,5,7: Then the dragon {Satan} was enraged at the woman {Sarah} and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring--THOSE WHO OBEY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AND HOLD TO THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS!!" And the dragon {Satan} stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw Beast {666} coming out of the Sea {Or Abyss or Hell as per Rev 11:7 & 17:8 & Luke 8:31}.....The Beast will exercise his authority for 42 months..... He will be given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he will be given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, language and nation.
And so according to Rev 12:6,14 Satan will attack some of God's saints but they will be protected in God's sanctuary in the wilderness for 1260 days.
Then in Rev 12:17 Satan will attack the rest of God's saints �WHO OBEY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AND HOLD TO THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS� **just before** the coming of 666 and the beginning of the 1260-day or 42-month Great Tribulation as shown in Revelation 13:1-5.
And so Revelation 12 also shows that the pre-trib rapture of God's courageous saints at the beginning of the Great Tribulation is a ridiculous fairy tale. Since some of God's saints will be protected in the wilds for 1260 days and Satan will make war with the rest of God's saints WHO OBEY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AND HOLD TO THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS JUST **BEFORE** THE COMING OF 666!!
Revelation 12:11: "They {The Tribulation Martyrs} overcame him {Satan} by the blood of the Lamb and by the Word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death."
Revelation 3:21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne!!"
ARECWE BORN AGAIN BY INFANT BAPTISM AND GOOD WORKS??
Posted : 4 Nov, 2016 01:09 PM
WILL THE COURAGEOUS TRIBULATION SAINTS SUFFER THE WRATH OF GOD??
God has always allowed His people to suffer tribulation and trials because they purify and perfect their faith and will gain countless eternal rewards when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED. There are over 40,000 saints martyred every year and the main culprit is no longer just Islam and the Satanic Roman Catholic Church. Millions of saints were martyred by the Communist atheist countries after 1917 in Russia and after 1948 in China and then in North Korea and Vietnam. Many more millions were killed by Japan 1937-1945 and by the Fascists in Italy and Germany 1922-1945.
Romans 8:35-37: �Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?... For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered. No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us!�
I Peter 1:6-8: �In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED.�
I Peter 2:20b,21: �But if you suffer for doing good and endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow IN HIS STEPS.�
I Peter 4:12,13: �Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you. But REJOICE that you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when His glory is *REVEALED!�
Rev 2:10: Jesus says, �Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the Crown of Life.� Read other persecution verses: Matthew 5:10-12; Romans 5:3; Heb 13:35-40; 2 Tim 3:12; 2 Cor 1:7-10; I Thess 3:3,4; Phil 1:29; Phil 3:10; Rev 12:11; Rev 13:9,10 & Rev 14:13. The courageous and faithful Tribulation saints will *NOT* be hurt by God�s *WRATH* as shown in Rev 14:9-11; 15:1,7; 16:1,19; or in any of the 7 trumpet or 7 bowl plagues as explained in Rev 9:4,20,21 and Rev 16:2,4-6,9,10,21; or in any of the plagues of God�s 2 witnesses as per Rev 11:6,10; or in *ETERNAL HELL*:
Rev 14:9-11: �If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he will drink of the wine of God�s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of *HIS WRATH*. He will be tormented with burning sulfur and the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever.�
The pre-tribs often confuse the wrath of God with the persecution from the anti-christ. They are not the same thing. The wrath of God is intended for the ungodly and will be poured upon them and them only. The Lord knows His target and He never misses.
In Rev 18:1-24 we read about the plagues that will destroy the headquarters of 666 during the Great Tribulation. This evil city on 7 hills {See Rev 17:9} is called �Babylon� which Peter implied was the nickname for Rome in 2 Peter 5:13.
In Rev 18:4 a voice from Heaven will order God's saints to stay away from Babylon {Rome-That great seaport-Rev 18:17-19} so that they will not participate in her sins or be hurt by God's wrath which will completely destroy Rome with many horrific plagues. There are 260 verses from Revelation chapters 6 thru 20 and 128 of these verses or 49% tell of the wrath of God to unbelievers, 666, his False Prophet and Rome. However, not even one of these verses tells of any wrath of God toward His courageous Tribulation saints.
Even pre-tribbers and mid-tribbers reluctantly agree that believers during the Great Tribulation will be exempt from the wrath of God. Jesus says, �My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one!�
John 17:15 Jesus says, �Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell!!�
THE GREAT COMMISSION: Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, �All authority in heaven and on *EARTH has been given to Me {Not some RC Pope}. Therefore go and make disciples of *ALL NATIONS*...teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING** I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very *END OF THE AGE*!�
ARECWE BORN AGAIN BY INFANT BAPTISM AND GOOD WORKS??
Posted : 5 Nov, 2016 12:43 PM
This will be a very interesting election for Christians since we have the choice of voting for someone like 666 or Satan. Both Hil*LIAR*y Clinton and Donald TRAMP are completely Satanic just like Richard Nixon and Barak Hussein Obama. Remember, voting for 666 or Satan are both probably UNPARDONABLE SINS!!
I Corinthians 6:9-13: Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the **SEXUALLY IMMORAL** nor **ADULTERERS** nor male prostitutes nor **HOMOSEXUAL OFFENDERS** nor **THIEVES** nor the **GREEDY** nor drunkards nor **SLANDERERS** nor **SWINDLERS** will inherit the Kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were **WASHED**, you were **SANCTIFIED**, you were **JUSTIFIED** in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of our God!!
Many evangelicals feel they are justified in voting for Donald Tramp because Hil*LIAR*y would select 2 or 3 Chief Justice's who would probably justify laws that would glorify Homosexual marriages and enforce laws that would **NOT** allow a church or Pastor to preach against homosexual marriage with the threats of losing their tax-exempt status or being thrown in jail; and would also not allow any State laws that didn't allow abortions on the day before conception. They also feel that Hil*LIAR*y would gradually increase severe socialism ala Venezuela and Cuba and greatly increase persecution on evangelical Christians who would disagree with her Satanic morals and laws.
However, Tramp is also no angel!! In the last year of his first marriage he had an open adulterous arrangement with his future 2nd wife, Marla Maples as well as other immoral adulteries with many other women which allowed him to make the cover of Playboy magazine. His favorite pastor was and is Norman Vincent Peale who is one of the most liberal pastors in history; who made fun of evangelicals that believed in the inspiration of God's Word and the Divinity of Jesus Christ. Tramp has also stated that he has **NEVER** asked forgiveness for any of his actions! Tramp was also an owner of Satanic gambling Casinos that also allowed extreme sexual nudity in their shows. Tramp's language is extremely immoral and it is likely that immorality would greatly increase under his presidency.
It is completely amazing that the **LAST** so-called Christian nation would nominate these two jewels! Could it be that this is a **SIGN** that the coming of 666; who will rule **EVERY** nation in the world; is very close!! So I would suggest that evangelical Christians should write in the name of the **KING** of kings!! And if you do vote for Hil*LIAR*y or TRAMP: God will know, but please don't admit it to anyone else!!
NOTE: 666 is called the **BEAST** 36 or 6X6 times in Revelation and Jesus is called the **LANB** 30 times in Revelation.
Revelation 13:5-10: The beast will exercise his authority for 42 months.... He will be given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he will be given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, language and **NATION**. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the **LAMB** who was slain!...This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints!
Matthew 24:9-13: Jesus says, "Then you will handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by **ALL NATIONS** because of Me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other. And many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved!"
Revelation 17:14: They will make war against the **LAMB**, but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of Lords and **KING** of kings--and with Him will be His **CALLED**, **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!!
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Posted : 6 Nov, 2016 04:35 PM
NOTE; A BIBLE MONTHS IS ALWAYS 30 DAYS !!
By comparing Rev 12:7b and Rev 12:14b we find that 1260 Days and Time {360 Days} Times {720 Days} and 1/2 a Time {180 Days} are the exact same period of time. Likewise, when we compare Rev 13:5b with Daniel 7:25b we learn that 42 {30-day Bible} MONTHS and Time {12 Months}, Times {24 Months} and 1/2 a Time {6 Months} are also the exact same period of time. And therefore 42 {30-Day Bible Months} and Time, Times and 1/2 a Time are the exact same period of time since 42 X 30 days equal exactly 1260 days. 12 Months = 360 Days = {1 Time} 24 Months = 720 Days = {2 Times} 6 Months = 180 Days = {Half a Time} and 42 Months = 1260 Days = 3 1/2 Times. Whereas, 42 times 29 1/2-day Babylonian moon months only add up to only 1239 days!
A BIBLE MONTH IS ALWAYS 30 DAYS!! The only other text where the Bible specifies the number of days in a month besides Rev 13:5b is Genesis 7:11 & Genesis 8:3,4: Where the 17th day of the 2nd Bible Month {Gen 7:11} to the 17th day of the 7th Bible Month {Gen 8:4} is EXACTLY 150 days which would be exactly five 30-day months {Gen 8:3 & Gen 7:34}. All Bible Years are 12 consecutive 30-day months followed by 5 or 6 days. Pagan Babylonian Moon Months sinfully adopted by Israel during the Babylonian captivity have alternating 29 and 30-day months since there is a New Moon every 29� days. If God was using Babylonian Moon Months in the above passage he would have said that 5 Bible Months were 147 or 148 days and not EXACTLY 150 days!!
If you check your concordances you will find that there are 20 OT passages that are wrongly translated NEW MOON that should be translated NEW MONTH. In each case the INSPIRED Hebrew word for MONTH {CHODESH} is used, whereas the Hebrew word for MOON {YARAYACH} is not present. {See I Sam 20:5,18,24; II Kings 4:23; I Chron 23:31; II Chron 2:4; 8:12; 31:3; Ezra 3:5; Neh 10:33; Ps 81:3; Isa 1:13,14; 66:23 Ezek 45:17; 46:1,3,6; Hosea 2:11 & Amos 8:5}
In the NT Col 2:16 should be translated NEW MONTH instead of NEW MOON since the INSPIRED Greek word for MONTH {MEN} is used, whereas the Greek word for MOON {SELENE} cannot be found. In Col 2:16 the Greek word used is NEOMENIA which should be translated NEW MONTH: For �NEOS� is the Greek word for NEW and �MEN� is the Greek word for MONTH.
Numbers 28:16: �On the 14th day of the 1st month the Lord�s Passover is to be held.� Exodus 12:6,7,12,13: �Take care of them {The Passover Lambs} until the 14th day of the month when all the people of Israel must slaughter them {See Lev 23:5} at Twilight {Just after sundown to nightfall}. Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the doorframes of their houses. On that same night I will strike down the firstborn of the Egyptians� but when I see the blood I will PASS OVER you.� Deut 16:1: �Observe the month of ABIB and celebrate the PASS OVER of the Lord your God, because in the month of ABIB He brought you out of Egypt by night.� Lev 23:6: �On the 15th day of that month the Lord's 7-day Feast of Unleavened Bread begins.�
Luke 22:7,8: Then came the day on which the Passover Lamb �Had� to be sacrificed. Jesus said, �Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.� Christ became our Passover Lamb on Passover Day! 1 Cor 5:7: �For Christ our PASSOVER LAMB has been sacrificed.� Whereas the Jews {who were following the evil Babylonian moon calendar} held their Passover on the 15th of Nisan {Which always occurs on the night of a full moon} and observed the Passover on the WRONG DAY as per John 18:28: �Then the Jews led Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman Governor {Pilate}. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness the Jews did not enter the palace; for they wanted to be able to eat the PASSOVER!!� Which would have been the day �AFTER� Jesus correctly held the Passover on the 14th of ABIB which God had commanded.
So we can assume that the month of ABIB is different from the Babylonian moon month of Nisan and therefore has nothing to do with the moon. When does the first month of the Bible Year called ABIB begin??
Many Bible scholars believe that it may begin of the first day of SPRING or sundown March 20th to sundown March 21st. ABIB is the Hebrew word for SPRING. And so the 14th Day of ABIB can also be translated the 14th day of SPRING!!
In May of AD 325 the Council of Nicea decided that starting in April, AD 326 the Resurrection Day of Jesus should be determined by the Babylonian Moon Calendar instead of April 5th, or the 16th day of first Bible month of Abib {See Ex 23:15 & Deut 16:1} The 1st Day of the 1st Bible month of Abib is always sundown March 20th to sundown March 21st. The Nicean Council decided that our Lord's Resurrection Day should be called EASTER beginning in April, AD 326.
DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF EASTER:
Easter from the old English Eastre, the name of Babylonian Mother Nature goddess: ISHTAR!! The Phoenician name for ISHTAR or EASTER is Ashtoreth or Asherah who was worshipped as a goddess and the female counterpart of the sun god Baal. She was regarded both as the goddess of war and destruction as well as the deity of love and fertility. Her licentious worship was condemned by God {See Deut 7:5;16:21,22; Judges 2:12,13} The KJV uses the word EASTER. However, the inspired Greek Word �PASCHA� should ALWAYS be translated PASSOVER in Acts 12:4?
ARECWE BORN AGAIN BY INFANT BAPTISM AND GOOD WORKS??
Posted : 7 Nov, 2016 07:11 AM
WHAT ARE THE 3 PASSAGES IN GOD'S WORD WHICH SHOW THAT THE GREAT TRIBULATION AND THE REIGN OF 666 WILL LAST EXACTLY 1260 DAYS OR 42 {30-DAY} MONTHS??
*Note by comparing Revelation 12:6 and Revelation 12:14 we can know that time {360 days}, times {720 days}, and 1/2 a time {180 days} and 1260 days are the exact same period of time. 42 {30-day} months and 1260 days or time {12 months}, times {24 months} and 1/2 a time {6 months} are also the exact same period of time.
*{#1}** Daniel 12:1b,2,7b: �There will be a time of distress {The Great Tribulation} such as not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time {The Last Day} your people--*EVERYONE* whose name is found written in the book {Both OT & NT Saints}�will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt�It will be for a time. times and half a time {Which is also 1260 days as per Rev 12:6,14, or 42 {30-day} months as per Rev 13:5} *ALL* these things will be *COMPLETED.
**{#2}** Rev 13:5,7: The beast will be given a mouth to utter blasphemies and to exercise his authority for 42 months �He will be given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. COMPARE WITH:
**{#3}**Dan 7:25: �He will speak against the Most High and oppress His saints. The saints will be handed over to him for time {12 months}, times {24 months} and 1/2 a time {6 months} {Or 42 months}
Events in Revelation that will occur during the 1260-day Tribulation are discussed in Rev 6:1 to 18:24, Events that will occur on the Last Day are recorded in Rev 6:12-17; Rev 11:15-19; Rev 14:14-20; Rev 16:17-21; Rev 19:1-21 & Rev 20:9b-15. There is absolutely no reference to any other resurrection before or during the Tribulation in Revelation chapters 6 through 19.
The Olivet discourse by Jesus about the End-Times are recorded in Matt 24 & 25, Mark 13 and Luke 21. Events that will occur during the 1260-day Tribulation are recorded in Matt 24:9-28; Mark 13:5-23 and Luke 21:8-24.
Events which will occur on the Last Day of the Tribulation including the 2nd Coming of Jesus are recorded in Matt 24:29-31; Matt 25:31-46; Mark 13:24-27, Luke 21:25-28 and 2 Peter 3:10-13. There is absolutely no mention of a rapture or resurrection before or during the Great Tribulation in the Olivet Discourse passages!!
The glorious APPEARING of Jesus and the resurrection of His saints on the Last day of the Tribulation are mentioned in God's Word about 50 other times such as Titus 2:13: �WE wait for the blessed hope�the glorious APPEARING of our Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,�
For example: If the coming of **666** and the 1260-day Great Tribulation starts on Friday, December 2nd, 2016 {The **6**th day of the Bible week} then the 2nd coming of Jesus would occur exactly 1260 days later on May 15th, 2020.
When the 1260-day Great Tribulation begins God's saints will then know the exact day of the 2nd coming on the Last Day as per: Rev 3:3: Jesus says, �But {*IF*} you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.� I Thess 5:4: Paul said �But YOU BROTHERS {*CHURCH SAINTS*}, are not in darkness so that {*THIS DAY*} should surprise you like a thief.�
�70 7'S OR 490 YEARS ARE DECREED TO ANOINT THE MOST HOLY, TO ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS AND TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS!!�
Dan 9:24-27: �70 7�s {490 years} are decreed for your people TO ANOINT THE MOST HOLY, TO ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS and TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNSS.. "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree {By Cyrus-Isa 44:28 above} to rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the Ruler, comes {Oct 23, AD 29?} there will be 7 plus 62 7's {Which is 69 7's or 483 years}. "After the 62 7's {actually 1260 days after on April 3-5 AD 33} the Anointed One will be cut off. The people {Roman soldiers} of the {Roman} ruler who will come will destroy the city {Jerusalem} and the Sanctuary {Temple-in AD 70}. He {The Anointed One} will confirm a COVENANT with many for one 'seven'. In the middle of the 'seven' {After 1260 days} He {The Anointed One; not 666} will put an END TO SACRIFICES {BY ATONING FOR WICKEDNESS}{And then after a long pause} the abomination of Desolation {666} will come {for the 1260 day Great Tribulation} until the decreed end is poured out on him.� {On the Last day {See 2 Thess 2:8 & Rev 19:20}
And so the first half of the last 7 was already COMPLETED when Jesus put and END to all sacrifices for sin 1260 days after His Anointing which occurred after 69 7's. When the Anointed One came 69 7's or 483 years were 100% completed [See Dan 9:25 above} leaving just one 7 in the future; after the Anointed One comes and then came a 1260-day New Covenant which ended when Jesus put an end to all sacrifices for sin. It is interesting tonote that in Daniel 9:25 it states that 70 7's are decreed *TO ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS* and therefore those who believe in s 7 year future Tribulation do not include Christ's atonement for sin in the 70 7's since the coming of the Anointed on to earth took place on the last day of the 62 7's!!! Those who wrongly believe in a future 7-year Tribulation; must wrongly believe that the ATONEMENT FOR WICKEDNESS by Jesus about 3 1/2 years after His Anointing can not be included in the 70 7's Prophecy.!!!
There are some who claim that the future Great Tribulation will last 7 years and not 1260 days. They also stipulate that the *HE* in Daniel 9:27a will be the anti-christ who make a Covenant and put an end to all sacrifices in the middle of a future 7 year tribulation. It is interesting to note that before the *HE* {the Anointed One 2 times and the Ruler 1 time} is mentioned three times in Daniel 9:25 & 26 and the future anti-christ is not even mentioned once and is only mentioned 2 times *LATER* in Daniel 9:27b!!
However, God's Word clearly states that 70 7's are decreed ...TO ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS which occurred about 3 1/2 years after the end of the 69 7's and therefore the first half of the last 7 has already been completed since there are only 3 1/2 times left in the 70 7's.
And so the Great Tribulation and the rule of 666 will last exactly 1260 days or 42 months or 3 1/2 times which agrees which God's Divine time periods found in Dan 12:1,2,7b; Dan 7:25 & Rev 13:5.
Now many saints believe the reign of 666 and the Great Tribulation are extremely close. I Peter 1:13: �Therefore, prepare your minds for ACTION, and set your hope *FULLY* on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED*!�
Mark 13:20: Jesus says, �If the Lord had not cut short those {Tribulation} days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom He has chosen, He has shortened them. �The first 69 7's were 365-day years {7 years = 2557 days} but the Last 7 has been shortened to 360-day years and two 1260-day periods or 2520 days. And so God has shortened the last 7 of the 70 7's from 2557 days to two 1260-day periods or 2520 days. And God has shortened the Great Tribulation from 3 1/2 years or 1278 days to 3 1/2 times or 1260 days.
Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious **APPEARING** of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us!!
ARECWE BORN AGAIN BY INFANT BAPTISM AND GOOD WORKS??
Posted : 8 Nov, 2016 03:24 PM
IS THE FIRST 1,000 YEAR RESURRECTION IN REVELATION 20:4-6 FOR MARTYRS LIKE JESUS AND THE 24 ELDERS ON THRONES WITH AUTHORITY TO JUDGE ONLY??
According to Revelation 20:4-6 there will be *TWO* Resurrections. The 1st continuous 1,000 year Heavenly Resurrection is for the 24 Elders on thrones and *MARTYRS* LIKE JESUS ONLY* and will end at the 2nd coming of Jesus when the 2nd Resurrection will take place for the saints of all ages who are *NOT MARTYRS*!!
In Daniel 12:2 just after the Great Tribulation we read, "Multitudes who SLEEP in the dust of the earth will *AWAKE*, some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
I Thess 5:10: He {Jesus} died for us so that, whether we are AWAKE {Martyrs} or asleep, we may live together with Him. The martyrs who are *AWAKE* with Jesus will also receive their new heavenly bodies at the 2nd coming of Jesus as per I Corinthians 15:51,52: Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all *SLEEP* but we will all be changed--in a flash, in a twinkling of an eye, at the Last {7TH} Trumpet!!
There are only TWO RESURRECTIONS for all saints mentioned in Rev 20:4-6: The FIRST RESURRECTION is for MARTYRS AND THE 24 ELDERS ONLY and INCLUDES the Tribulation Martyrs. And therefore the SECOND RESURRECTION must come on the Last Day of the Great Tribulation and must include ALL SAINTS {Both OT & NT} who are not martyrs or the 24 Elders on thrones.
The Heavenly rewards for the faithful and courageous *MARTYRS* is one of the most important central themes in the book of Revelation. For they will reign with Jesus in Heaven during the 1,000 years before His 2nd Coming; and according to Revelation 7:14-17: They are before the Throne of God and God will spread His tent over them. They will receive White Robes washed in the blood of the Lamb. Never again will they hunger or thirst and God Himself will wipe every tear from their eyes. Jesus will be their Shepherd and will lead them to springs of Living Water.
FOR EXAMPLE: Let us suppose that the SECOND RESURRECTION takes place on September 17th; 2019 then the continuous 1,000 year FIRST RESURRECTION for MARTYRS AND 24 ELDERS ONLY would take place from September 17th, AD 1019 to September 17th, 2019. The 24 Elders and all of the OT & NT saints martyred before September 17th, 1019 were awakened to reign with Jesus in Heaven and every Martyr martyred after September 17th, 1019 were and will be immediately awakened to reign with Jesus in the continuous 1,000 year FIRST RESURRECTION to be completed on September 17th, 2019 at the SECOND RESURRECTION when "The rest of the dead come to life when the thousand years are ENDED." {Rev 20:5a}
Rev 20:4b �I saw the *SOULS of those who had been martyred because of their testimony for Jesus... they came to life and reigned with Christ for 1,000 years. The Martyrs SOULS will only get their New Heavenly bodies when the 1,000 years are ENDED at the 2nd Coming of Jesus.
This seems to contradict John 6:40: Jesus says, �EVERYONE who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY.� HOWEVER, the LAST DAY RESURRECTION could last 1,000 years for in 2 Pet 3:8 we read: �With the Lord a DAY is like 1,000 years, and 1,000 years are like a DAY!!
We see the martyrs talking in heaven at the beginning of the Great Tribulation in Revelation 6:9-11 and then we see a great multitude of martyrs who have come out of the Great Tribulation from every nation and language awake in heaven just before the first 7 trumpet plagues in Revelation 7:9-17.
And then just before the last 7 bowl plagues we see martyrs in heaven singing the song of the Lamb in Revelation 15:2-4: And then we see 144,000 Jewish martyrs in heaven with Jesus BEFORE Rome or Babylon is destroyed in Rev 14:8 in Revlation 14:1-5:
Revelation 6:9-11: When He {Jesus} opened the 5th seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood? Then each of them were given a WHITE ROBE, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed {Tribulation martyrs} as they had been was completed.
Revelation 7:9,10,13-15,17: After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from EVERY nation, tribe, people and language standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb {Jesus} They were wearing WHITE ROBES and were holding..And they cried out in a loud voice, "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne , and to the Lamb...Then one of the {24} elders asked me, "Those in WHITE ROBES--who are they, and where did they come from?" And he said, "They are they who have come out of the *GREAT TRIBULATION*, they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore, They are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in His temple...The Lamb in the center of the throne will be their Shepherd!"
Revelation 15:2,3: And I saw..those who had been victorious over the Beast {666} and his image and the number of his name {Tribulation Martyrs}. They held harps given them by God and sang the song of Moses the servant of God and the song of the Lamb: "Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true are your ways, King of the ages..." Note: Mount Zion is another name for heaven as per Hebrews 12:22}
Revelation 14:1-4: Then I looked, an there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000 {See Rev 7:3-8}...And I heard a sound from Heaven...And they sang a new song before the throne. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been REDEEMED from the earth...They follow the Lamb wherever He goes.
The 24 Elders on thrones are mentioned many times in Revelation 4:4,10; 5:5,6,8,11,14; 7:11,13; 11:16-18; 14:3 and 19:4 The 24 Elders on thrones are mentioned many times speaking from heaven during the Great Tribulation and are the only saints mentioned in heaven during the Great Tribulation besides the MARTYRS!!
It is completely obvious that the continuous 1,000 year reign mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6 is for 24 ELDERS on Thrones and MARTYRS ONLY according to God's Word in Revelation 20:4,5: "I saw Thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to JUDGE and I saw the SOULS of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus {NT Martyrs}and because of the word of God {OT Martyrs}. They had not worshiped the beast and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands {Tribulation Martyrs}. They came to life and rigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead {Saints who were not martyrs or the 24 elders}did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. {At the 2nd coming of Jesus}
