Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 30 Dec, 2011 05:13 PM
For Christians because the Jews were required to keep it according to Levitical LAW of the Old Testament. So, since the Levitical Law was done away with by Christ's work on the cross, then so too, is the REQUIREMENT of tithes, or tithing all together for Christians. There is no example of tithing in New Testament Scripture to show that it was practiced by Christians within its proper context.
Do you agree?
If not, can you show me some New Testament verse where it says that a Christian must tithe 10%, please?
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 04:57 PM
Listen, PJ, you posted God's word about why Christians tithe. Its always those who do not give to the church or tithe who don't believe in tithing or giving to the church... who try to discourage others who do tithes and give.
I say to you George, and to InewGuy, and to all others who do not believe in tithing or giving to the church, if you have a problem with giving to the church through titihes or any means of giving... why not just say that you have a problem with giving to the church... but don't try to use God's word to support your unbelief and LACK of giving through tithing or any other means of giving to the church...
You just keep doing what you're doing and leave others along who are doing what they are doing for the ministry of the house of God.
Nobody worries you, or condemns or judges you, or even cares if you give or don't give, that's between YOU and YOUR GOD, if you're not giving, so what your complaint about those WHO DO TITHE AND GIVE TO THE CHURCH?
CHECK AND SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD LATELY IN YOUR GIVING... and decide if God is pleased with you and your good works... remebring that giving is a spiritual gift.
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 09:30 PM
am en sister ella. you just said a mouth full sista, and might I ad that those you acuse the ones who choose to live holy of putting ourselfs in bondage to the law or say that we arent rewuired to keep any commandmetns except love one another (which covers them anyway) but dont see the need to seperate from the owrld and so forth are the ones who are still holding on to their sins, so??/
Holding on to you r money and holding onto your sin??/
HMMMM MIGHT WANA CHECK YO SELF BEFORE YOuU WRECK YO SELF!!!.... just saying:ROFL:
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 09:55 PM
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Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 12:43 PM
QUESTION: Agapeton, do YOU tithe? If you don't tithe, why are you worried about what others do or don't do?
ME: Yes i do, ET. Why do you care if i tithe or not in a SCRIPTURAL DISCUSSION ABOUT SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY AND NOT EMOTIONAL BIAS, sister? Is this a DISCUSSION FORUM where people are to discuss things partaining to Scripture or to insult people based on ASSUMPTIONS, and conjectures that someone makes because they have no zeal for rightly dividing the word of truth?
If tithing is for the up keep of the church and to help the poor and buy bible study material for the church, and pay the pashua's salary, what is your concern?
ME: My concern as well as EVERY BELIEVER WHO PROFESSES to follow the precepts laid out by God in the Scriptures, should be to firmly follow what they ALONE say and not what man says. Do you agree?
As I've said, God made tithing for the Jews in the law for the same purposes, for the up keep of the city of refuge and for the heping of the poor, and for the paying of the priests... so if peole are still in such positions to do the same, what's Biblically worng with this? You still have not produced any scriptures stating otherwise.
ME: The Jews were required to do it UNDER the LAW of Moses sister. I did post references to show where it said so in several ones back. You did hopefuly read them. Right?
Shall I post where God says that he will make a new covenant and He is sick of the sacrifices of the old covenant enough for you to grasp that the Law of Moses is done away with? Aren't we ALL PRIESTS NOW? Does that mean that we should all be getting paid now?
Since when should pastors get paid a salary from the church attendants when Paul, if an example of a gentile pastor, didn't get paid and supplied his own means with his own hands.
Paul also collected money from the churches to be given to the poor churches in the first century, as according to 2 Corinthians chapter 8 and chapter 9, so was he wrong in doing this?
ME: Paul only did this ONCE FOR THE FAMINE IN THE Jerusalem churches in Acts 13 and 19, sister. You did know this right? It wasn't an ON GOING THING FOR YEARS AFTERWARDS.
In the 21 century church, poor churches are given help because people freely give offerigns and of heir tihte offerings, and it is used to help those who come into the church who need help and for many other operations within the church and to help poor churches, so is this also wrong?
If you're not giving your tithe, and your church teaches against tithing, and is able to maintian its self without the tithing of its memebers, then PRASE THE LORD... but you can only speak about YOUR CHURCH, and not condemn or judge other church or believers who believe and have reaped the blesssings of giving their tithe for the work of the church ministry.
As I said, Abraham only won one battle and reaped the havest(spoils) from that battle, and he offered up a tenth as a one time tithe offering, and divided the other with his men, so if a person is offering up their tithes once a month or whatever to the Lord, PRAISE THE LORD!!! .... it to the Lord and not to you... and its still a one time tithe offering each month of their increase... SO WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THIS SHOULDN'T BE DONE, JUST BECAUSE IT IS NO LONGER REQUIRED? Who told YOU its no longer required?
Um, THE WORD OF GOD SAYS SO, sister. You do read it. Don't you?
Seriously, If God is still blessings those who tithes, and they do not feel obligated to tithe, and they are freely giving their tithe, why are you so concerned?
Is this not trying to discourage people from their faith and beliefs, that they know to be true for them in their giving? I would think so, because what they do for the Lord, is not your business or your conern, if God hasn't told them its not necessary for them to pay tithes, and is still blessings them and fulfilling His word to those who pay their tithes.
You are dealing with non-essentials that have nothing to do with salvation, and this should be of more importance than whether or not tithing is of the Old law or new law. Making sure people know how to rightly divide the word of God with sound doctrine unto salavtion is what pleases God, not if a person is tithing and it is to benefit the church in its ministry.
I think you are in God's business 'bout-long now!
As I asked, what's your purpose and intent?... again, maybe you should start paying your tithes from cheerful heart and watch the salvation of the Lord in your life come to pass... try-it, you might be surprised of your own blessings from the Lord!
ME: I think that you should stop getting emotional and stop assuming, conjecturing, and projecting, sister, and try to get back on track with this discussion about the Biblical basics before you really make a fool of yourself further,
So you are saying that if one tithes, they will get blessed by God.
So what happens to the person who can't afford to tithe? Do they lose a blessing or commit a sin against God?
Where is your Scriptural proof to show that tithing SHOULD BE DONE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH, sister?
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 10:08 PM
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Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 12:47 PM
agopeton, then what can be considerd sin? if the commandments are done away with, then what is sin? Paul certainly spoke about sin and continueing in it, and that was certainly after Jesus fullfilled the law, so what sin is paul refering to? I mean really, God hates sin, he did not send Jesu so suffer and die so that we can remain in our sin! thats obserd and that is as Pj says definatly aproachng the word carnaly, as anyone who has the leadership of the HOly Spirit does not have to even debate thes things, it ws david or maybe jerimiah or both I am not sure but one of them said somethimng to the effect of God has written his laws on my heart, I know Jerimiah said the word of the lord is like fire shut up in my bones! I do not have to have a scripture to know what is right and what is wong now there are scriptures but God has written his laws on my heart, I know how to please him because I have his mind! People who know a whole bunch yet have no wisdom can never lay down there pride ling enough to allow God to truly change them!
ME: Sister, We are no longer under the Law of Moses. We are under the Law of Christ. That Law consists of LOVE. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. That is the only law that Jesus gave us. Do you agree?
Agopeton, do you agree that after the new birth you willwant to keep the comandments? Do you agree that someone who is truily born again doesnt want to sin, and when they do sin it makes them sick about it? If you are born again you will feel that way you will hate that yoi uhave sinned even if no one knows it but you and God you will feel ashamed an when you seek forvidness for it, he will lift that burden and you wont want to do it again but you will sin again however eventualy you will not keep commiting the same sin over and over this is like the wine press or the wheat in the threashin floor God will cleanse you and santify you and regenerate you and cause you to live a llife that is not domintated by sin, I guess everyone will mess up sometimes but it will get less and less , I know I didnt care wen I comited sin but when I confessed and turne to Jesus after that when I sin I feel terrible about it, I repent and do my best not to sin!
ME: Sister, TA HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HERE? Why is everyone trying to get personal and trying to change the subject if they cannot find the Scriptures to prove tithing should be done in the Christian faith? I mean seriously. So now we have to start going back to the law of Moses again, when Paul says that if we do so we become estranged from Christ and are bound to KEEP ALL OF IT?
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 10:11 PM
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Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 12:57 PM
Agapeton said: So let me ask you something, sister. What do you think that Pasul meant when he said this to the believers?
Col 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
Ella says: For Sure darling he WAS NOT talking about believers apying their TITHES IN THE CHURCH!
Paul is speaking about worldly teahcing of men who teach false doctrines and wordly philosophies as being of God, as some teach the New Age and New Science of Mind teachings... this has not one thing to do with a believer tithing...
ME: I see, sister. So if something that has crept into the church which has no Scriptural back bone or foundation now shouldn't be researched by the Scriptures or questioned no matter what? That makes so much sense now. Thanks for clarifying this. :rolleyes:
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 10:15 PM
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Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 07:54 AM
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Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 04:37 AM
Jesus lived under the blessing of Abraham as does the church in christ and yes Jesus tithed.
Agapeton we are told not to approach the word of God carnally, that is exactly what you do, there is no believing in your statements.
According to you man should not breath for they did that in the old testament
ME: PJ, Again, bro You speak from ignorance and will be ignored, brother. I've not met a man so condescending as you. Do you even know how to read something within context?
Heb 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
Heb 7:2 and to him Abraham apportioned a tenth part of everything. He is first, by translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then he is also king of Salem, that is, king of peace.
Heb 7:3 He is without father or mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but resembling the Son of God he continues a priest forever.
Heb 7:4 See how great this man was to whom Abraham the patriarch gave a tenth of the spoils!
Heb 7:5 And those descendants of Levi who receive the priestly office have a commandment in the law to take tithes from the people, that is, from their brothers, though these also are descended from Abraham.
Heb 7:6 But this man who does not have his descent from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
Heb 7:7 It is beyond dispute that the inferior is blessed by the superior.
Heb 7:8 In the one case tithes are received by mortal men, but in the other case, by one of whom it is testified that he lives.
Heb 7:9 One might even say that Levi himself, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham,
Heb 7:10 for he was still in the loins of his ancestor when Melchizedek met him.
Heb 7:11 Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.
Wow condescending to believe the word of God, you sure you and /george are not on the phone, what I have to ask is are you sure you are saved, I personally can not understanf how one can miss it so bad, The audacity that a man without the Holy Ghost, can tell the lord what he meant.
You have never heard me put AN OPINION TO THE WORD OF GOD.
HERE IS THE FACT GUYS NO MAN CAN BE IN FELLOWSHIP WITH THE LORD AND CONTINUALLY DENY HIM AND HIS WORD.
ME: PJ, What you just posted up in this topic is nothing but pure opinion, brother. And you know what they say about opinions. Don't you? They are like arm pits. Every man has two of them and some smell more than others no matter how much deodorant is on them. Thanks again for your attempt. :peace:
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 10:21 PM
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Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 04:57 PM
Listen, PJ, you posted God's word about why Christians tithe. Its always those who do not give to the church or tithe who don't believe in tithing or giving to the church... who try to discourage others who do tithes and give.
I say to you George, and to InewGuy, and to all others who do not believe in tithing or giving to the church, if you have a problem with giving to the church through titihes or any means of giving... why not just say that you have a problem with giving to the church... but don't try to use God's word to support your unbelief and LACK of giving through tithing or any other means of giving to the church...
ME: I used the Word to show it. Did you even attempt to show Scripture to oppose it??
Did you?
Seriously, sister.
DID YOU?
CAUSE I DON'T SEE IT.
So where is your proof other than in your own head?
You just keep doing what you're doing and leave others along who are doing what they are doing for the ministry of the house of God.
Nobody worries you, or condemns or judges you, or even cares if you give or don't give, that's between YOU and YOUR GOD, if you're not giving, so what your complaint about those WHO DO TITHE AND GIVE TO THE CHURCH?
CHECK AND SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD LATELY IN YOUR GIVING... and decide if God is pleased with you and your good works... remebring that giving is a spiritual gift.
ME: Um, you've done judged me wrongly and ASSUMED WHAT YOU WANTED AND THEN PROJECTED WHAT YOU THOUGHT, sister. So where is your apology so far? Because I've yet to see it and some sort of repentance from you on account of this discussion based on Scriptural fact.
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 10:21 PM
Agapeton it is and never has been about old and new testament, it is you that say that along with George.
We have at least once a month a new person that comes on the forum to bring forth doctrines other than scripture and their is one thing always consistent, They are not walking in the light of The word.
Btw the early church that we read of did not have bibles, nor what we call the new testament.
According to you they where.......
If the God of The bible was as the unbelieving believers speak of him they would not be alive because of how they rperesent him falsely.
Btww the way the emotional is a very common response from thoase that walk in the flesh, and you will always find this in common they reject the promises of God starting from The gift of The Holy Ghost.
Btw the way their is no such thing as someone to poor to tithe, totally unscriptural.
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 10:27 PM
Agapeton whose ignorance is this, no Phillip is not contentious, do you not know how prideful it is to rewrite the word of God to your own thinking.
As I said, Abraham only won one battle and reaped the havest(spoils) from that battle, and he offered up a tenth as a one time tithe offering, and divided the other with his men, so if a person is offering up their tithes once a month or whatever to the Lord, PRAISE THE LORD!!! .... it to the Lord and not to you... and its still a one time tithe offering each month of their increase... SO WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THIS SHOULDN'T BE DONE, JUST BECAUSE IT IS NO LONGER REQUIRED? Who told YOU its no longer required?
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Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 10:34 PM
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Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 10:21 PM
Agapeton it is and never has been about old and new testament, it is you that say that along with George.
ME: PJ, "it is and never has been"? What are you saying man? IS IT OR ISN'T it about the Old and the New Testament? Make some sense man. Please.
We have at least once a month a new person that comes on the forum to bring forth doctrines other than scripture and their is one thing always consistent, They are not walking in the light of The word.
ME: And NOT ONCE HAVE YOU BOTHER TO LOOK INTO IT AS THE BEREANS DID WHEN PAL PRESENTED A NEW TEACHING ABOUT THE CHRIST? K. That says a lot. Thanks.
Btw the early church that we read of did not have bibles, nor what we call the new testament.
They had the old testament. That led way to Christ. The fact that Gentiles were added into the faith and in Acts 15 they were never told to tithe or follow the old testament law should say a lot about what the New Testament church did or didn't do though. RIGHT?
According to you they where.......
If the God of The bible was as the unbelieving believers speak of him they would not be alive because of how they rperesent him falsely.
"unbelieving believers"? Dude.
TA HECK ARE YOU SAYING?
Translator?
TRANSLATOR!
Is there an interpreter in the forum?
My keyboard for an interpreter!
Btww the way the emotional is a very common response from thoase that walk in the flesh, and you will always find this in common they reject the promises of God starting from The gift of The Holy Ghost.
ME: Let me guess. this is a seaway into "Acts 2:4"? Right?
Btw the way their is no such thing as someone to poor to tithe, totally unscriptural.
ME: Right. So Jesus saying that the Poor you will have always is completely wrong....
