Author	Thread: God's Love to those he chose.
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 10:41 AM Romans 9:1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen. 6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called." 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: "At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son." 10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated." 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As He says also in Hosea: "I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved." 26 "And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God." 27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved. 28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth." 29 And as Isaiah said before: "Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah." 30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." Praise God for his sovereign grace. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 12:10 PM :rolleyes:...Oky Doky...so who of Yall is GOING to Hell and who of Yall is going to Heaven based on the scriptures posted...???...That is the question now!!!...Gezzz...this On-Going POO of you aint right and you aint saved and you aint born again and you aint got the HolySpirit and you aint elected and you aint chosen and you aint...you aint...you aint...is nothin more than Selfish Prideful Nonsense !!!...Ifin I was GOD and ima not...an dont even wanna be...I'd throw Yall ina Cement Truck so Yall can Muck around until Yall will Blend like Butter...:winksmile:...Thank GOD/Jesus/HolySpirit for thier Patiance and the Patiance of the Saints... Title: God's Love to those he chose. *** YUP !!!...Be Blessed Yall...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 12:19 PM You are missing the point Jude. What the scriptures say are important. We can't just teach whatever we want because we believe it to be a non issue. The problem with a man centered theology on salvation is that it takes glory away from God. It takes grace away from God. If God is required to give grace to all, then it's not grace. Man elevates himself when he says God MUST OFFER ME GRACE. That's not grace. Then we have people in churches making these simple little decisions where they pray a prayer and are considered save, yet don't have forgiveness of their sins. They never cry out to God pleading for their salvation because they believe it's some simple little belief switch they turn on within themselves. Why is it important? Well if you start to disregard certain scriptures, where does it stop? We see people believing things they want to believe and disregarding things they don't want to believe. The gospel is not about man. The gospel is about God having grace on his elect. That's how it should be taught. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 12:43 PM Amen Holding out Hope. Where will it stop. Generation after generation has dumbed down the gospel to walking down the isle and say what the man on the other end says and you are saved. It is a disgrace to God the Almighty. If your view of God is wrong, your whole life is wrong. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 12:44 PM A brief video summary of why it matters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M15vPZx-ypM Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 12:57 PM And beyond this, if you teach another Gospel you are teaching a lie. I'd say that matters. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 01:02 PM Here is a good sermon from Voddie Baucham called Praise For The Gospel. http://www.gracefamilybaptist.net/sermons/2012-02-praise-god-gospel/ "You cannot fully worship what you do not know. You will never worship God rightly, unless you know God rightly" Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 01:02 PM Here is a great video also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI0xvCRLtVE&feature=related To God be the Glory. God strips the creature of all, and all glory is his. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 01:03 PM Yes sir We agree that reformation theology is another doctrine and the spirit of truth in all believers bears witness of that error, truth and it's light always shine on all darkness. It is another doctrine when anyone says that the lost can not believe on the lord Jesus Christ it is against all scripture to proclaim any thing against this simple truth. The word of God not only teaches the error of reformation theology but it also exhibits example after example that says what the word of God proclaims. The truth is not proclaimed man but to liberate him from the snare of the Fowler and his deception, any that will call upon the name of the lord will be saved. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 01:11 PM John 17:1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. 6 "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me. 9 I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. 18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth. 20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me. 24 Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEJY1rGYHss&feature=related Praise God he died for his chosen. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 01:13 PM PJ, you're argument is that you should be believed because true Christians agree with you. That's simply not good enough. Had you even attempted to delve into the scriptures with me, then we could have had a decent discussion. You instead took the holier than thou route. You are right because you're simply right. Just consider for a minute if a pastor in a church were to make his points the way you do. Speaking to his congregation, "Folks, you should listen because I'm right. I'm right because Jesus is inside me and because other believers agree with me". What kind of standard have you set? If it were so against scripture to say that people cannot muster up belief from within themselves, then you should be able to show how it's against all scripture. You've not even attempted to do so. We are just told to take your word for it. Speaking of examples...I've given several that you have ignored. I agree! Any that call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Amen! If only that verse also said that man has the power within himself to do so...And that's where your teaching falls short Post Reply

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