I = IRRESISTIBLE GRACE (Calvinism teaches that God's grace for salvation cannot be resisted, but the Word of God says it can be resisted):
Lamentations 3:35-36: "To turn aside the right of a man before the face of the most High, To subvert a man in his cause, the Lord approveth not."
Matthew 23:37: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and YE WOULD NOT!"
John 5:39-40: "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And YE WILL NOT come to me, that ye might have life."
Acts 7:51: "Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always RESIST the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
Proverbs 1:24-26: "Because I have called, and YE REFUSED; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh."
Proverbs 29:1: "He, that being often reproved HARDENETH HIS NECK, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy."
"I did some researching on John Calvin bc of Holding insisting that his doctrine is right. So this is what I found. Not good ..What do you think? " attached article to display Calvin was a "murderer"
This is what is known in logic as an informal fallacy: abusive ad hominem. It is a direct assault upon a person's intellect or moral character in order to undermine their argument.
To put it plainly, it's an error in reasoning - an error of relevance. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
To use a personal example, it would be like me saying that nothing you say is relevant because you are divorced, etc.
Another point to your misunderstanding of the matter:
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Notice that civil government is a minister of God to execute God's wrath against those who do evil.
If John Calvin, who was part of the civil governing body of Geneva at the time played a part in executing a criminal, so what? This was his duty to God and Geneva.
Lastly, it needs to be said here that civil government and church government are two totally unrelated matters. The author of the article you posted is contrasting the Apostle Paul's teaching on church discipline against John Calvin's alleged actions with respect to civil criminal discipline. It's an apple to oranges comparison. Bad logic and faulty understanding.
Neither response is acceptable to the standard of the word of God, one of the dominant traits of Calvinism is the continual mention of reasoning and logic. the intellect has no place in knowing THE Truth, They are assets to the mental realm but enemy's to the spiritual.
They are example of carnality.
"I did some researching on John Calvin bc of Holding insisting that his doctrine is right. So this is what I found. Not good ..What do you think? " attached article to display Calvin was a "murderer"
This is what is known in logic as an informal fallacy: abusive ad hominem. It is a direct assault upon a person's intellect or moral character in order to undermine their argument.
To put it plainly, it's an error in reasoning - an error of relevance. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
To use a personal example, it would be like me saying that nothing you say is relevant because you are divorced,
Another point to your misunderstanding of the matter:
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Notice that civil government is a minister of God to execute God's wrath against those who do evil.
If John Calvin, who was part of the civil governing body of Geneva at the time played a part in executing a criminal, so what? This was his duty to God and Geneva.
Lastly, it needs to be said here that civil government and church government are two totally unrelated matters. The author of the article you posted is contrasting the Apostle Paul's teaching on church discipline against John Calvin's alleged actions with respect to civil criminal discipline. It's an apple to oranges comparison. Bad logic and faulty understanding.
PJ, you said "Neither response is acceptable to the standard of the word of God, one of the dominant traits of Calvinism is the continual mention of reasoning and logic. the intellect has no place in knowing THE Truth, They are assets to the mental realm but enemy's to the spiritual. They are example of carnality."
You have offered no scripture and shown no proof other than PJ says so. Unfortunately for you, the Bible says otherwise:
Isa 1:18
Come now, and let us REASON together, saith the LORD : though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word (Greek: Logos), and the Word (Greek Logos) was with God, and the Word (Logos) was God.
In the Greek text, the word used was Logos from which we derive our English word logic. LOGOS: word, speech, thought, reason, principle and logic.
Literally, Jesus Christ was the reason, logic, word,etc of God. God is pure logic and pure reason himself as this verse teaches. We are created in the image of God (Gen. 1:27). One part of that image in man is the ability to think, use reason, logic, etc. It is one thing that distinguishes man from animals, plants, etc.
Scripture can be multiplied on this topic, but I have given sufficient evidence here to disprove the idea that Christians shouldn't think when it comes to Biblical/spiritual matters. The opposite is what the Bible teaches.
Perhaps P.J, you problem stems from your belief that one should not use their God given brain in spiritual matters and apply themselves to understanding. Then again, your comment demonstrates your use of reasoning(albeit totally defective) which makes you a walking paradox.
Bob...You will not get anywhere with PJ on the issue of the mind. He is from the word of faith camp and backs his beliefs, not with scripture, but by saying he gets direct revelation. Therefore, anybody who disagrees with him must be wrong. No only that, they must not be saved either. If course...he can never show why the revelation he receives should be taken over the revelation of the word so no one ever pays much attention to his argument.
i am sure if we opened your closet there would be all kind of interesting facts about you too. John Calvin was a great theologian and preacher. Saved by grace, and not of himself. He is a man. No one who preaches truth will ever be liked, so saith the LORD.
Im sure you would find interesting facts in my closet Im an interesting person.
as far as your debate on the I in Tulip? Im not here to attack you but to simply discuss your opinion about it.
Bob...You will not get anywhere with PJ on the issue of the mind. He is from the word of faith camp and backs his beliefs, not with scripture, but by saying he gets direct revelation. Therefore, anybody who disagrees with him must be wrong. No only that, they must not be saved either. If course...he can never show why the revelation he receives should be taken over the revelation of the word so no one ever pays much attention to his argument.
"Anybody can come if they want to"
The problem is with the "want to"
CORRECTION THEIR IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH WANT TO THE BIBLE IS OUR SOURCE FOR TRUTH NOT MAN'S DOCTRINE.
LET US AY IT AGAIN HOPE, I HAVE CONTINUALLY SAID THAT NO MAN CAN MAKE ANY MAN BELIEVE, IT IS ALWAYS HIS CHOICE BUT ANY MAN CAN BELIEVE.
I HAVE NEVER SAID YOU WHERE NOT SAVED, NOR WILL I SAY IT, I WILL SAY I SEE NO WILLING TO ACCEPT SCRIPTURE BUT THAT IS BETWEEN YOU AND THE LORD.
IT SHOULD NEVER BE SAID OF A CHRISTIAN THAT ONE LIE'S SO OPENLY, FOR THERE ARE AT LEAST SIX LIES IN THE SHORT RESPONSE.
BTW THE WAY THERE IS NO REVELATION BY APPROACHING WITH THE MIND.
YOU WILL NOT FIND ONE INSTANCE WHERE MAN COMMUNES WITH GOD FROM HIS MIND TO GOD'S SPIRIT. MAN'S mind can no more commune with God, than any part of his physical body can.
