Author	Thread: DEAR CDFF MEMBERS...
Admin	DEAR CDFF MEMBERS... Posted : 27 Jul, 2012 06:22 AM To the members of CDFF, I have watched BobBobbins for some time now and believe that others on this forum should be better equipped in seeing what may be happening, from a perspective other than BobBobbins� while dialoging with him. Dear CDFF members, Please take the following statements I have compiled from 26 pages of BobBobbins� posts and imagine for a moment communicating to your husband or wife in like manner� Imagine, as a parent or teacher, communicating to a child in this way� You are the one who is the Pharisee� For the sake of illustrating your error here� The entirety of your argument is thrown completely out the window� Your faulty exegesis of Matthew 19 leads to a totally erroneous understanding of the passage� My point by point refutation of your article really wasn't for your benefit� Your confusion appears to lie in not understanding� Here again, your question illustrates your lack of understanding� Your thinking illustrates that when you deviate so badly� Are you yet without any spiritual understanding? Are you a Pharisee? Are you a false teacher? It appears that you are consistently trying to trip up the true men of God with your unreasoned questioning� Not to point out the obvious, but you haven't even made a feeble attempt� If you are standing on the truth, then refute my points� You might convince a handful of fools and simple minded folks with that style but everyone else sees clearly that you are defeated� Over and over, I see ridiculous conclusions such as the one that you have drawn� Sadly, the evidence shows� You fail on two major fronts� You demonstrate all of the traits/characteristics of the "stone thrower" from your article� You are a FOOL, a self described STONE THROWER, a JUDGE without MERCY, and most glaringly a HYPOCRITE� Your doctrines and teachings are those of an ANTIchrist� I am trying to understand your position which is schizophrenic� Perhaps, your lack of understanding is what condemns you� Maybe you are a STONE THROWER� All I can say is "wow." Talk about polluting a bored with off topic ranting� Over and over, I see ridiculous conclusions such as the one that you have drawn� Now, you are taking cover behind a woman's skirt� I am challenging you to come out from behind that skirt� Be a man and defend your article. Can you do that? At the end of the day, I believe that you still fail� In addition, I believe that you have no clear understanding� You bring an unteachable spirit to the discussion� Once again, you "gathered" wrong� Since you have chosen to take a low road� It's painful to have to be so tedious, but alas I guess you made it necessary� Exposing your watered down middle of the road back side kissing teachings� You boast now a victory you don't have! You have never addressed the scriptures i provided by point by point refutation because you are incapable� Your teachings are weak� You are cowardly! With your continued childish cutting and pasting� You have been warned� He is merely another incompetent windbag.. Such a notion, in my eyes, seems intellectually incompetent and just plain lazy� You have a glaring problem somewhere in your exegesis� Due to sloppy interpretations such as the one that has just been offered� Rather than humbling yourself to receive instruction� Out of the abundance of the heart.. the mouth speaks�DEAR CDFF MEMBERS, IT IS IRONIC THAT THE POSTER SHOULD USE THIS PARTICULAR VERSE IN LIGHT OF WHAT HE HIMSELF HAS WRITTEN Who is the liar here? Contradiction after contradiction� Lots of smoke but not much fire� That you were so lacking in compassion in the first place� Now, you want a gold star and a brownie for finally getting it right� Everytime they hit their keyboards, the errors expose themselves. All I do is highlight them for the readers�.AGAIN, CAUTION MUST BE EXERCISED WHEN POINTING OUT THE FAULTS OF OTHERS Yours is an impotent god and a worthless gospel... a god with no power to save� Rather than wasting "the whole world's time", why don't you go work out your own salvation� He reasoned poorly just like you� Is it even necessary for me to quote the scripture to prove such an elementary point? Shouldn't anyone who calls themselves a "Christian" already understand such a foundational issue? Personally, I find all of your statements blasphemous-but it�s the logical outcome of the reprobate anthropocentric mind� That is YOUR god� I have read many of your posts and I just shake my head at most of them. I never bother to respond since I wonder what is the point? I really can't help but just shake my head� Once again, you have come here teaching falsely� As long as you keep spewing false doctrine/theology� You are a woman -take responsibility for yourself and for the woman's role in a marriage� If you are divorced, you are NOT an expert on making a marriage work, contrary to your opinion. We don't need to hear about what you think you learned. Not until you have proven yourself in the context of a new healthy marriage. Those who have been and stay married for years are the experts�.DEAR CDFF MEMBERS, HERE, I MUST INTERJECT THAT NOT ONLY IS THIS STATEMENT AN AD HOMINEM, (MANY OF THE STATEMENTS COMPILED HERE ARE) BUT THAT THE POSTER ALSO FALSELY CLAIMS TO REPRESENT EVERYONE ON THE FORUMS BY CLAIMING THAT �WE� ARE IN AGREEMENT �ANOTHER INFORMAL FALLACY. ALSO, SOLOMON, WHO QUITE POSSIBLY SINNED GREATER THAN PERHAPS ANYONE ELSE IN SCRIPTURE IN THE AREA OF MARRIAGE, DID, IN FACT, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, BRING ABOUT THE WORDS OF GOD HIMSELF ON THE SUBJECT OF MARRIAGE�. HENCE THE SONG OF SONGS BobBobbins� words continued: Post after post, you offer bad theology� I have no personal vested interest in you one way or the other� DEAR CDFF MEMBERS, Communicating to your husband or wife in this manner? Communicating to a child in this way? How might this affect someone? Being spoken to in such a way, day after day, month after month, year after year? How might this affect a congregation of people�say a church? I would be interested to know how this has affected some of you? DEAR CDFF MEMBERS, Please notice that if, from BobBobbins� posts, you separate the scripture he has quoted and his textbook explanations of scripture, which can be found on a number of Reformed Theological Sites online (such as the Puritan Board), what you�re left with is a collection of BobBobbins� personal statements, many of which have been quoted above. This would be called rightly dividing the words of a man from alongside the Words of our Lord. SOMETHING ELSE THAT SHOULD BE NOTED, From my experience, I believe that out of 26 pages of BobBobbins� posts, which I read, not a single one dealt with what God has done in BobBobbins� own life. Not a single one of his posts describes, in a relational or transparent way, a close, personal, loving and growing relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ, which is where true biblical teaching flows from. DEAR CDFF MEMBERS, I have not written this in order for any of you to belittle BobBobbins. On the contrary, I�ve written this in order that you might better love, in understanding and correction, one of your brothers in Christ, who is not only gifted, but who has given himself greatly to the pursuit of God�s Word on our behalf. I have however written this so that posters will not continue to feel intimidated or taken captive by BobBobbins� textbook theological and philosophical arguments, which, can easily become the whitewashing on a tomb full of a dead man�s bones. � Love (Christ) is patient, love is kind. It (He) does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.� 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 �If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love (Christ), I am nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:2 May each of us continue in the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. GOD BLESS Post Reply
View Profile History	DEAR CDFF MEMBERS... Posted : 27 Jul, 2012 09:59 PM You know that I should not be surprised by this because I knew you wouldn't be able to restrain yourself from commenting about this event. However, after seeing the public response from other members, you still take the time to go around to each and every instance of this OPs letter and add your comments. I am actually surprised by that and I have no idea why. Further, thank you for acknowledging my public accountability and apologies. Despite the fact, many here have highlighted your false teaching, you have never shown an ounce of humility over it. Even when you have gotten my humility, rather than extending the same, you become emboldened in your pride. I was always taught, if someone extends an apology to you, the courteous and proper thing to do is accept their apology and offer yours in return because chances are pretty good you offended them in some way, too. This has always proven to work well for me. Too bad that is not your policy. Do you remember how we met on these threads? You introduced yourself by calling me a legalist. That must have been another instance where the Holy Spirit was restraining you. To date, you have still never offered a legitimate biblical explanation of how I am a legalist. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	DEAR CDFF MEMBERS... Posted : 28 Jul, 2012 12:11 AM Bob wrote: "Your personal remarks like this are designed to undermine the messenger. " � Me: you undermine your message with the tactics you use. Matthew 7:15�Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.� 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?� 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.� 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.� 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.� 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Post Reply
View Profile History	DEAR CDFF MEMBERS... Posted : 28 Jul, 2012 12:14 AM Thank you Teach for calling me a false prophet. I am trying to lead this thread die...it has hurt many people on both sides. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	DEAR CDFF MEMBERS... Posted : 28 Jul, 2012 12:27 AM Re: Reaching out Message: Bob, If you were as courteous in public as you have been in private, it would go a long way. To my knowledge the only label I used that offended you is 'legalist' and I explained my view on why I personally believe you are a legalist. You do not have to agree with that, but that us my view of you based on the variety of posts you have written. How come it's wrong for me to ask a question about one of your posts or someone else's when I am trying to understand what you have written? Many people think the way you respond sometimes is accusatory to them, belittling to people who post, and down right mean at times. The majority of people who post have read and studied and learned the Bible from a variety of sources and have experienced many things in their lives that God has brought them through. When you make light of their views whether they are right or wrong through ridicule, it defeats the purpose of trying to discuss the topic with you or anyone else on the thread. Many of the divorced women on is site have gone through harrowing experiences with Christian men that had an attitude and mannerism that you present. I work with many men who display the same arrogance in how they respond and treat women. I often choose not to respond to your remarks or questions because they are provoking and my flesh would win out...I choose to keep at a spiritual level. If you want to debate the topic that's fine, but if you want to throw out disparaging remarks, I will answer with Scripture and my explanation. I will not lower myself to the behavior I received from you and Singer. I see much younger men and women that display a greater level of maturity in their posts. I do not have to apologize for my views or posting Scripture. I am not aware of anything I wrote that requires me to apologize to you or Singer. The Holy Ghost has not convicted me of any wrong posting. I will apologize for the negative thoughts that I wanted to write but the Holy Spirit would not allow me to write. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	DEAR CDFF MEMBERS... Posted : 28 Jul, 2012 12:29 AM Re: Reaching out Message: Bob, If you were as courteous in public as you have been in private, it would go a long way. To my knowledge the only label I used that offended you is 'legalist' and I explained my view on why I personally believe you are a legalist. You do not have to agree with that, but that us my view of you based on the variety of posts you have written. How come it's wrong for me to ask a question about one of your posts or someone else's when I am trying to understand what you have written? Many people think the way you respond sometimes is accusatory to them, belittling to people who post, and down right mean at times. The majority of people who post have read and studied and learned the Bible from a variety of sources and have experienced many things in their lives that God has brought them through. When you make light of their views whether they are right or wrong through ridicule, it defeats the purpose of trying to discuss the topic with you or anyone else on the thread. Many of the divorced women on is site have gone through harrowing experiences with Christian men that had an attitude and mannerism that you present. I work with many men who display the same arrogance in how they respond and treat women. I often choose not to respond to your remarks or questions because they are provoking and my flesh would win out...I choose to keep at a spiritual level. If you want to debate the topic that's fine, but if you want to throw out disparaging remarks, I will answer with Scripture and my explanation. I will not lower myself to the behavior I received from you and Singer. I see much younger men and women that display a greater level of maturity in their posts. I do not have to apologize for my views or posting Scripture. I am not aware of anything I wrote that requires me to apologize to you or Singer. The Holy Ghost has not convicted me of any wrong posting. I will apologize for the negative thoughts that I wanted to write but the Holy Spirit would not allow me to write. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	DEAR CDFF MEMBERS... Posted : 28 Jul, 2012 12:30 AM The way you write in public should mirror how you write in private. I have no problem with you disagreeing with me...I have a problem with how you do it. I also am a very direct, to the point person. I work very hard to keep my emotions out of my responses and stick to Scripture and the facts as I see them. If you ask me a direct question or pose a statement like you did on the Obedience or Legalism page, I will provide a direct answer...I am mature in my Christian beliefs and it would take a lot more than a few posts to make me change. I don't question why people are the site or why they post what they do. They have as much right to do it as you or me. They may be very new Christians and expressing what they have heard or taught or read seeking guidance from those with more experience. Some could be persuaded if the approach was not condescending or belittling. There were some differences in your and Singer's posts...but not a lot from my perspective. I did not agree with how Paul always responded...however, I believe his view of the topic of divorce and remarriage. I try to for the information/views being portrayed through the extraneous comments. I do not wish to have an ongoing private dialog with you. If you post on the threads I post on or am interested in posting on, I will continue to post my convictions. There have been a few posts that I actually agree with you but not with the way you presented your thoughts...and they are your thoughts and views...no matter how convinced you are that they are 100% accurate...just like my thoughts and views are mine. Accurately quoted, relevant Scripture speaks volumes. Psalm 19:4 let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer. Post Reply
View Profile History	DEAR CDFF MEMBERS... Posted : 28 Jul, 2012 12:31 AM Let it go..... When I die, I will be sure to have a family member give you the location of my grave site so that you can come by and spit on it. Now let it go...... Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	DEAR CDFF MEMBERS... Posted : 28 Jul, 2012 12:37 AM Another example of your tactics...are you a moderator on this site? The thread dies when all those involved let it die, not necessarily when it is convenient for you. I have seen other threads that have been locked...no additional posts allowed. I suppose when that happens the thread is over. Post Reply
View Profile History	DEAR CDFF MEMBERS... Posted : 28 Jul, 2012 12:42 AM My "tactics" as you call them come from the desire to respect a few members who have asked me to try to help reign in the threads. I told them that I would try to do that and I am a man of my word. You are beating a dead horse. You don't know how to use restraint. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	DEAR CDFF MEMBERS... Posted : 28 Jul, 2012 12:51 AM How is it your responsibility to rein in the threads? Are you a moderator? I think on this particular thread, you should allow others to rein in the thread. Bob wrote: "Your personal remarks like this are designed to undermine the messenger. " � Me: you undermine your message with the tactics you use. Post Reply

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