Author	Thread: I Don't Want Free Will
dljrn04 View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 5 Aug, 2012 06:57 AM "I frankly confess that, for myself, even if it could be, I should not want "free-will" to be given me, nor anything to be left in my own hands to enable me to endeavour after salvation; not merely because in face of so many dangers, and adversities and assaults of devils, I could not stand my ground ; but because even were there no dangers. I should still be forced to labour with no guarantee of success.� But now that God has taken my salvation out of the control of my own will, and put it under the control of His, and promised to save me, not according to my working or running, but according to His own grace and mercy, I have the comfortable certainty that He is faithful and will not lie to me, and that He is also great and powerful, so that no devils or opposition can break Him or pluck me from Him. Furthermore, I have the comfortable certainty that I please God, not by reason of the merit of my works, but by reason of His merciful favour promised to me; so that, if I work too little, or badly, He does not impute it to me, but with fatherly compassion pardons me and makes me better. This is the glorying of all the saints in their God." - Martin Luther, The Bondage of the Will (Grand Rapids: Revell, 1957), 313-314. Post Reply
View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 7 Aug, 2012 09:16 AM Man has free will to make his own choices in Life. Adam had the responsibility to be Obediant to God. He failed in that he chose to eat the forbidden fruit. Man had the responsibility to choose. Post Reply
View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 7 Aug, 2012 09:30 AM WHAT CAUSED EVE TO SIN WILLINGLY? Did Eve herself think that she "freely" willed to sin WITHOUT A CAUSE? "And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that you have done? And the woman said [Yes, just what did �the woman say?� Did she say that she "freely willed" to commit this sin? Did she say it was her and all her and nothing but her that did this? Or did she say�], The SERPENT BEGUILED ME� [and BECAUSE the serpent beguiled or deceived her, we now have a CAUSE], and I did eat" (Gen. 3:13). And what did God have to save about all this blame casting on Eve�s part? Did God say something like this: "Oh really, Eve? Yah right, go ahead, try and blame it on THE SERPENT! No, Eve, you �FREELY� willed by your own �FREE MORAL AGENCY� which I gave to you and which is free from ALL CAUSALITY AND BLAME CASTING, to do this thing ON YOUR OWN." Is that what God said? Let�s read it: "And the Lord God said unto the serpent, because YOU HAVE DONE THIS, you are cursed above all cattle�" (Verse 14). There it is. God�s Own answer. But will we accept God�s answer? For most, probably not. This has nothing to do with supporting the idea man has no freedom. You say will you accept God's answer, yes I will. Adm and Eve sowed to death and they reaped death. They could have told the serpent to shut up and they did not. Yes I accept God's answer rightly divided. Then note Satan Said, man gave this world, hello. Post Reply
View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 7 Aug, 2012 10:29 AM Luke 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? I am still seein' lots of claims and not much Bible. :zzzz: Post Reply
View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 7 Aug, 2012 12:26 PM Luke 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? I am still seeing' lots of claims and not much Bible. Bob there is no issue with scripture ever but there is issue with man's twisting of scripture and with the intent as in this post. It is nothing less than contention and not validated in scripture one time. You choose or you reject very simple. He does not do your choosing for you, no more than he did for Adam and Eve. Maybe you forget how every scripture is presented you mock it and ridicule the believer every time, Bob. Then you would applaud yourself as the spiritual one, just saying. No life being imparted. All you have to do is acknowledge the word of God and the spirit of God. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 7 Aug, 2012 05:11 PM pj continues with his vain imaginations...... "Bob there is no issue with scripture ever but there is issue with man's twisting of scripture and with the intent as in this post. It is nothing less than contention and not validated in scripture one time. You choose or you reject very simple. He does not do your choosing for you, no more than he did for Adam and Eve. Maybe you forget how every scripture is presented you mock it and ridicule the believer every time, Bob. Then you would applaud yourself as the spiritual one, just saying. No life being imparted. All you have to do is acknowledge the word of God and the spirit of God." still no scripture to back his imagination. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 9 Aug, 2012 09:09 PM Bob wrote: "I am still seein' lots of claims and not much Bible" The Scripture has been presented multiple times on multiple threads...I will continue to post it as it is the power save those which are lost. John 10:9�I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?� 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. �� Acts 2:21�And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 9 Aug, 2012 09:09 PM Psalm 51 1 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness:�according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. 2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity,�and cleanse me from my sin. 3 For I acknowledge my transgressions:�and my sin is ever before me. 4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned,�and done this evil in thy sight:�that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest,�and be clear when thou judgest. 5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity;�and in sin did my mother conceive me. 6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts:�and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom. 7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean:�wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. 8 Make me to hear joy and gladness;�that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice. 9 Hide thy face from my sins,�and blot out all mine iniquities. 10 Create in me a clean heart, O God;�and renew a right spirit within me. 11 Cast me not away from thy presence;�and take not thy holy spirit from me. 12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation;�and uphold me with thy free spirit. 13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways;�and sinners shall be converted unto thee. 14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation:�and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness. 15 O Lord, open thou my lips;�and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise. 16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it:�thou delightest not in burnt offering. 17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit:�a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. 18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion:�build thou the walls of Jerusalem. 19 Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering:�then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar. **** 13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee Post Reply
View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 9 Aug, 2012 10:33 PM And Elisha the prophet called one of the children of the prophets, and said unto him, Gird up thy loins, and take this box of oil in thine hand, and go to Ramothgilead: 2 And when thou comest thither, look out there Jehu the son of Jehoshaphat the son of Nimshi, and go in, and make him arise up from among his brethren, and carry him to an inner chamber; 3 Then take the box of oil, and pour it on his head, and say, Thus saith the LORD, I have anointed thee king over Israel. Then open the door, and flee, and tarry not. 4 So the young man, even the young man the prophet, went to Ramothgilead. 5 And when he came, behold, the captains of the host were sitting; and he said, I have an errand to thee, O captain. And Jehu said, Unto which of all us? And he said, To thee, O captain. 6 And he arose, and went into the house; and he poured the oil on his head, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I have anointed thee king over the people of the LORD, even over Israel. 7 And thou shalt smite the house of Ahab thy master, that I may avenge the blood of my servants the prophets, and the blood of all the servants of the LORD, at the hand of Jezebel. 8 For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel: 9 And I will make the house of Ahab like the house of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, and like the house of Baasha the son of Ahijah: 10 And the dogs shall eat Jezebel in the portion of Jezreel, and there shall be none to bury her. And he opened the door, and fled. 11 Then Jehu came forth to the servants of his lord: and one said unto him, Is all well? wherefore came this mad fellow to thee? And he said unto them, Ye know the man, and his communication. 12 And they said, It is false; tell us now. And he said, Thus and thus spake he to me, saying, Thus saith the LORD, I have anointed thee king over Israel. 13 Then they hasted, and took every man his garment, and put it under him on the top of the stairs, and blew with trumpets, saying, Jehu is king. 14 So Jehu the son of Jehoshaphat the son of Nimshi conspired against Joram. (Now Joram had kept Ramothgilead, he and all Israel, because of Hazael king of Syria. 15 But king Joram was returned to be healed in Jezreel of the wounds which the Syrians had given him, when he fought with Hazael king of Syria.) And Jehu said, If it be your minds, then let none go forth nor escape out of the city to go to tell it in Jezreel. 16 So Jehu rode in a chariot, and went to Jezreel; for Joram lay there. And Ahaziah king of Judah was come down to see Joram. 17 And there stood a watchman on the tower in Jezreel, and he spied the company of Jehu as he came, and said, I see a company. And Joram said, Take an horseman, and send to meet them, and let him say, Is it peace? 18 So there went one on horseback to meet him, and said, Thus saith the king, Is it peace? And Jehu said, What hast thou to do with peace? turn thee behind me. And the watchman told, saying, The messenger came to them, but he cometh not again. 19 Then he sent out a second on horseback, which came to them, and said, Thus saith the king, Is it peace? And Jehu answered, What hast thou to do with peace? turn thee behind me. 20 And the watchman told, saying, He came even unto them, and cometh not again: and the driving is like the driving of Jehu the son of Nimshi; for he driveth furiously. 21 And Joram said, Make ready. And his chariot was made ready. And Joram king of Israel and Ahaziah king of Judah went out, each in his chariot, and they went out against Jehu, and met him in the portion of Naboth the Jezreelite. 22 And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, Is it peace, Jehu? And he answered, What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her witchcrafts are so many? 23 And Joram turned his hands, and fled, and said to Ahaziah, There is treachery, O Ahaziah. 24 And Jehu drew a bow with his full strength, and smote Jehoram between his arms, and the arrow went out at his heart, and he sunk down in his chariot. 25 Then said Jehu to Bidkar his captain, Take up, and cast him in the portion of the field of Naboth the Jezreelite: for remember how that, when I and thou rode together after Ahab his father, the LORD laid this burden upon him; 26 Surely I have seen yesterday the blood of Naboth, and the blood of his sons, saith the LORD; and I will requite thee in this plat, saith the LORD. Now therefore take and cast him into the plat of ground, according to the word of the LORD. 27 But when Ahaziah the king of Judah saw this, he fled by the way of the garden house. And Jehu followed after him, and said, Smite him also in the chariot. And they did so at the going up to Gur, which is by Ibleam. And he fled to Megiddo, and died there. 28 And his servants carried him in a chariot to Jerusalem, and buried him in his sepulchre with his fathers in the city of David. 29 And in the eleventh year of Joram the son of Ahab began Ahaziah to reign over Judah. 30 And when Jehu was come to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it; and she painted her face, and tired her head, and looked out at a window. 31 And as Jehu entered in at the gate, she said, Had Zimri peace, who slew his master? 32 And he lifted up his face to the window, and said, Who is on my side? who? And there looked out to him two or three eunuchs. 33 And he said, Throw her down. So they threw her down: and some of her blood was sprinkled on the wall, and on the horses: and he trode her under foot. 34 And when he was come in, he did eat and drink, and said, Go, see now this cursed woman, and bury her: for she is a king�s daughter. 35 And they went to bury her: but they found no more of her than the skull, and the feet, and the palms of her hands. 36 Wherefore they came again, and told him. And he said, This is the word of the LORD, which he spake by his servant Elijah the Tishbite, saying, In the portion of Jezreel shall dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel: 37 And the carcase of Jezebel shall be as dung upon the face of the field in the portion of Jezreel; so that they shall not say, This is Jezebel. **** 37 And the carcase of Jezebel shall be as dung upon the face of the field in the portion of Jezreel; so that they shall not say, This is Jezebel. Post Reply
View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 9 Aug, 2012 10:37 PM Teach, I bet you are probably wondering what those verses I posted had to do with the topic of the OP which was "free will". You know, I wondered the exact same thing when I read your citations. It looks like you plucked some verses from a concordance under keyword: saved. Those are all great verses. You know what they have to do with the topic? Nothing. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	I Don't Want Free Will Posted : 10 Aug, 2012 10:30 PM For the record, the verses I posted do relate to salvation. They show the need to repent, believe, and follow Christ. Post Reply

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