Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 30 Dec, 2011 05:13 PM
For Christians because the Jews were required to keep it according to Levitical LAW of the Old Testament. So, since the Levitical Law was done away with by Christ's work on the cross, then so too, is the REQUIREMENT of tithes, or tithing all together for Christians. There is no example of tithing in New Testament Scripture to show that it was practiced by Christians within its proper context.
Do you agree?
If not, can you show me some New Testament verse where it says that a Christian must tithe 10%, please?
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 10:59 PM
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Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 10:27 PM
Agapeton whose ignorance is this, no Phillip is not contentious, do you not know how prideful it is to rewrite the word of God to your own thinking.
ME: who is rewriting anything here? Have you actually looked into the Scriptures to check it anything that has been mentioned here without any emotional bias?
As I said, Abraham only won one battle and reaped the havest(spoils) from that battle, and he offered up a tenth as a one time tithe offering, and divided the other with his men, so if a person is offering up their tithes once a month or whatever to the Lord, PRAISE THE LORD!!! .... it to the Lord and not to you... and its still a one time tithe offering each month of their increase... SO WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THIS SHOULDN'T BE DONE, JUST BECAUSE IT IS NO LONGER REQUIRED? Who told YOU its no longer required?
ME; The Scriptures said so. And I've yet to see anything form you and the person you copied this from to prove otherwise, brother.
It is of humility that one confesses their fault.
ME: I agree and I believe that there are a few people here who tend to find fault in others without even bothering to look to their assumptions and projections be of God to just throw them out on people whom they know not and do not confess their own faults first.
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 1 Jan, 2012 05:42 AM
Tithing is mentioned 15 times in the OT and Zero times in the NT. Giving a tenth is mentioned in Hebrews 7:4-9 about Abraham giving a tenth to Melchizadek and giving a tenth is mentioned 3 other times in the NT in Matthew 23:23; Luke 11:42 and Luke 18:10-14 as follows: The saints are commanded to give to the poor directly and not through the Church. The saints held church in houses . There is no mention of any money given for a church building in the NT.
Giving a tenth is mentioned 3 times in the NT besides Hebrew 7:4-9 as follows:
Matthew 23:23 Jesus says "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness!"
Luke 11:42: Jesus says, "Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God!"
Luke 18:10-14: Jesus says," Jesus says, "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: "God I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evildoers, adulterers-- or even like this tax collector. I Fast twice a week and give a **TENTH** of all I get!" " But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would no even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, "God, have mercy on me, a sinner." "I tell you that this man rather than the other, went home justified before God!!"
In the New Covenant God's saints give directly to the poor and worship in private houses as per Romans 16:5; I Cor 16:19 & Philemon 1:2. There is no mention of giving to the church for the poor or giving money for church buildings. Only giving to the Pastors are mentioned.
In the old covenant God's commandments were only preached to Jews but in the New Covenant Jesus commands us to preach to every nation in the world teaching them to obey *EVERYTHING* He commanded and everything would also include all of the approximately 400 NT commandments also taught in Acts to Revelation {See 2 Timothy 3-16 to 4:2.}
Jesus also eliminated the earthly rewards for faithful service and commanded us to sell our possessions and give to the poor and get *TREASURES IN HEAVEN* and **THEN** come follow Him.
Luke 12:33,34: Jesus says, �Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted....For where your treasure is there your heart will be also.�
The early NT saints obeyed these new commandments:
Acts 2:44: All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possession and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.
Acts 4:32: All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had!"
Ephesians 4:28: "Work so that you can share with those in need!"
The Prosperity Gospel of Joel Osteen, PJ and ET is straight from Satan's Gospel.
Matthew 20:20-24: �All these {Commandments} I have kept, the young man said. �What do I still lack?� Jesus answered, �If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. **THEN** come, follow Me.� When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus says, �It is hard for a rich man to enter the *KINGDOM OF HEAVEN*. It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the *KINGDOM OF GOD*.�
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 1 Jan, 2012 05:51 AM
Tithing is mentioned 15 times in the OT and Zero times in the NT. Giving a tenth is mentioned in Hebrews 7:4-9 about Abraham giving a tenth to Melchizadek and giving a tenth is mentioned 3 other times in the NT in Matthew 23:23; Luke 11:42 and Luke 18:10-14 as follows: The saints are commanded to give to the poor directly and not through the Church. The saints held church in houses . There is no mention of any money given for a church building in the NT.
Hebrews 9:15,26b-28: Christ is the mediator of a **NEW COVENANT** so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance--now that He has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant...But now He has APPEARED once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the SACRIFICE of Himself... so Christ was SACRIFICED ONCE to take away the sins of many people, and He will *APPEAR* a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him.
Hebrews 8:8,9,13: God found fault with the people and said {In Exodus 25:40}: The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a **NEW COVENANT**{Read Deut 18:17-19!!} with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will **NOT** be like the covenant I made with their forefathers.....By calling this covenant **NEW**, He made the first one **OBSOLETE**; and what is **OBSOLETE** and aging will soon disappear.� {When all the words of the New Covenant were completed by the Book of Revelation in AD 96!!}
Hebrew 10:8-10: Jesus said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them. Although the law required them to be made. The He {Jesus} said. "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He {Jesus} set aside the first {Covenant} to establish the second. And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus ONCE FOR ALL!!
Matthew 19:27-30: Peter said to Jesus, �We have left EVERYTHING to follow you! What then will there be for us?� Jesus says, �I tell you the Truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed Me {Including Paul}will also sit on 12 thrones...And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for My sake will receive 100 times as much and will inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and many who are last {In this life}will be first.� And there will be plenty of room for 100 houses and 100 fields in the New Jerusalem since it will be over 1377 miles long and wide and high.
I John 2:3-5: �We know that we have come to know Him if we *OBEY HIS COMMANDS*. The man who says, �I know him,� but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys His Word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in Him.�
2 Corinthians 6:4-10: As servants of God we commend ourselves in every way: in great endurance, in troubles, hardships and distresses, in beatings, imprisonments; in hard work, sleepless nights and hunger; in the Holy Spirit and in sincere love, in truthful speech and in the power of God; genuine, yet regarded as impostors; dying, and yet we live on; beaten and yet not killed; *POOR*, yet making many rich; *HAVING NOTHING*; and yet possessing everything.�
I Timothy 6:5-10: There are men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain....If we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.� :applause::angel::peace:
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 1 Jan, 2012 01:58 PM
As I've said, and will continue to point out, it is alwasys the rebels who DO NOT ATTEND NAYBODY'S CHURCH, AND DO NOT GIVE OF THEIR OFFERINGS OR TITHES, OR SERVICE OR WHATEVER FOR THE CAUSE AND GROWTH OF THE CHURCH AND GO'D'S KINGDOM, whwther it is to a church or outreach ministry in the community.
These are they who are always in ooposition to giving to the church ministry and going to church, and do everything they can, to try and stop other believers from giving and going to church, just becasue they don't go or give.
Ella says: Paul also collected money fro Devil always comes as a ray of light to decieve that which is good in God's sight...m the churches to be given to the poor churches in the first century, as according to 2 Corinthians chapter 8 and chapter 9, so was he wrong in doing this?
Agaphetom/ME says: Paul only did this ONCE FOR THE FAMINE IN THE Jerusalem churches in Acts 13 and 19, sister. You did know this right? It wasn't an ON GOING THING FOR YEARS AFTERWARDS.
God says: 2 Corinthians 8 - The Collection for the Lord�s People
1. And now, brothers and sisters, we want you to know about the grace that God has given the Macedonian churches. In the midst of a very severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity. For I testify that they gave as much as they were able, and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own, they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharing in this service to the Lord�s people. And they exceeded our expectations: They gave themselves first of all to the Lord, and then by the will of God also to us.
6 So we urged Titus, just as he had earlier made a beginning, to bring also to completion this act of grace on your part. But since you excel in everything�in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in complete earnestness and in the love we have kindled in you�see that you also excel in this grace of GIVING.
8 I am not commanding you, but I want to test the sincerity of your love by comparing it with the earnestness of others. 9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.
10 And here is my judgment about what is best for you in this matter. Last year you were the first not only to GIVE but also to have the desire to do so. Now finish the work, so that your eager willingness to do it may be matched by your completion of it, according to your means. For if the willingness is there, THE GIFT IS ACCEPTABLE ACCORDING TO WHAT ONE HAS, NOT WHAT ONE DOES NOT HAVE.
13 Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be EQUALITY. At the present time your PLENTY WILL SUPPLY WHAT THEY NEED, SO IN TURN THEIR PLENTY WILL SUPPLY WHAT YOU NEED. THE GOAL IS QUALITY, as it is written: �THE ONE WHO GATHERS MUCH DID NOT HAVE TOO MUCH, AND THE ONE WHO GATHERED LITTLE DID NOT HAVE TOO LITTLE"
16 Thanks be to God, who put into the heart of Titus the same concern I have for you. For Titus not only welcomed our appeal, but he is coming to you with much enthusiasm and on his own initiative. And we are sending along with him the brother who is praised by all the churches for his service to the gospel. 19 What is more, he was chosen by the churches to accompany us as we carry the offering, which we administer in order to honor the Lord himself and to show our eagerness to help. We want to avoid any criticism of the way we administer this liberal gift. For we are taking pains to do what is right, not only in the eyes of the Lord but also in the eyes of man.
22 In addition, we are sending with them our brother who has often proved to us in many ways that he is zealous, and now even more so because of his great confidence in you. As for Titus, he is my partner and co-worker among you; as for our brothers, they are representatives of the churches and an honor to Christ. 24 Therefore show these men the proof of your love and the reason for our pride in you, so that the churches can see it.
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 1 Jan, 2012 02:10 PM
It doesn't matter how you give through tithes or general offerings, God has a WORD FOR YOU!
2 Corinthians 9:1, There is no need for me to write to you about this service to the Lord�s people. For I know your eagerness to help, and I have been boasting about it to the Macedonians, telling them that since last year you in Achaia were ready to give; and your enthusiasm has stirred most of them to action. But I am sending the brothers in order that our boasting about you in this matter should not prove hollow, but that you may be ready, as I said you would be. For if any Macedonians come with me and find you unprepared, we�not to say anything about you�would be ashamed of having been so confident. So I thought it necessary to urge the brothers to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift, not as one grudgingly given.
6 Remember this: Whoever SOW SPARINGLY WILL ALSO REAP SPARINGLY, AND WHOEVER SOWS GENEROUSLY WILL ALSO REAP GENEROUSLY. Each of you should GIVE WHAT YOU HAVE DECIDED IN YOUR HEART TO GIVE, NOT RELUCTANTLY OR UNDER COMPULSION, FOR GOD LOVES A CHEERFUL GIVER. AND GOD IS BALE TO BLESS YOU ABUNDANTLY, SO THAT IN ALL THINGS AT ALL TIMES, HAVING ALL THAT YOU NEED, YOU WILL ABOUND IN EVERY GOOD WORK.
9 As it is written: �They have freely scattered their gifts to the poor; their righteousness endures forever.� 10 Now he (GOD) who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also SUPPLY AND INCREASE your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness. You will be enriched in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.
12 This service that you perform is not only SUPPLYING THE NEEDS OF THE LORD'S PEOPLE but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God. Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, others will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else. And in their prayers for you their hearts will go out to you, because of the surpassing grace God has given you. 15 Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift!
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 1 Jan, 2012 02:47 PM
Richard (Prophetic said: In the New Covenant God's saints give directly to the poor and worship in private houses as per Romans 16:5; I Cor 16:19 & Philemon 1:2. There is no mention of giving to the church for the poor or giving money for church buildings. Only giving to the Pastors are mentioned.
Then Richard -Prophetic said: Tithing is mentioned 15 times in the OT and Zero times in the NT. Giving a tenth is mentioned in Hebrews 7:4-9 about Abraham giving a tenth to Melchizadek and giving a tenth is mentioned 3 other times in the NT in Matthew 23:23; Luke 11:42 and Luke 18:10-14 as follows: The saints are commanded to give to the poor directly and not through the Church. The saints held church in houses . There is no mention of any money given for a church building in the NT.
Ellas says: Ok, Richard, hwich one is it?... There is no mention of giving to the church for the poor or giving money for church buildings. Only giving to the Pastor as mention... Or is it this?...The siants are commanded to give to the poor DIRECTLY AND NOT THROUGH THE CHURCH. The saints held church is houses. THERE IS NO MENTION OF ANY MONEY GIVEN FOR A CHURCH BUILDING.
Maybe you can also answer why there were synagogues and temple where Jesus and the apostles went an worshipped and preached and taught, and the people came ot ehar them? Also, there were no building as we known them becasue the people were poor and could not afford buildings, and all churches back then even so today are started in houses. Different economy and different times...
I'll tell yu guys something... you keep doing what you're doign and I'll keep doing what I'm doing. And my prayer is that ALL BELIVERS WHO ARE FREELY GIVING AND GOING TO CHURCH WILL CONTINUE DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING...
you know why?... Because WE ARE TOO BLESSED TO ENGAGE IN YOUR MESS!... You already say the Old Testement is void, so what's next on your demonic list for beleivers to stop doing? Next I suppose you will come up with another thought of your own, saying that Jesus isn't really coming, its just a sayng that He's coming again...
This is how the antichrist is presenting his own gospel which has not one thing to do with salvation.
You see, God has proven Himself over and over again too many times to true believers who have the faith to believe not in just some of God's wrod, but in everything He has spoken in the Old and New Testament, to stop just because you guys who lack faith, and don't even attend church or give of your money even for outreach ministries, to change what we are doing...
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD LATELY IN YOUR GIVING OF THE INCREASE OF YOUR MONEY, AND HANDS ON SERVICE AND TIME?
I think y'all need to find another topic of substance to discuss rather tham soemthing that is going nowhere fast. You can't stop people from giving, and you shooo can't bet God's giving!:glow:
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 1 Jan, 2012 04:12 PM
sgopetan, I want to adress the comment you made about the poor, and refer you to my post that you said was me grouping you in with george!!! YEAH the one where I said UI m,ake 740 an hour and thats it, no child suport, sometimes iwill get 6 or 7 dollars for child support but I still tithe, every single week and I alwasy have money and my bills are paid early, I am below poverty leval as far as income goes, but I loan money to peopla one erson I can think of right now who makes twice wha I do by the hour and also gets 65-80 hours a week so all that 15 and hour plaus andthing over 40 is 22.50, but to that person I loan money??? hmmmm go figur as jude would say, becasue God blesses me I have a 200 dollar power bill this month but I have got it coverd I make close to 10000 thats ten thousand dollars a year! POVERTY LEVEL!! My Brother PJ is right, there is NONO NO NO NO NO such thing as too poor to tithe, thats just a excuse and we all know the excuses come from (hint lies come from the same place)
