Author	Thread: God's Love to those he chose.
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 10:41 AM Romans 9:1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen. 6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called." 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: "At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son." 10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated." 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As He says also in Hosea: "I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved." 26 "And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God." 27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved. 28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth." 29 And as Isaiah said before: "Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah." 30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." Praise God for his sovereign grace. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 01:14 PM Your* I hate when I spell it wrong. I had to correct it. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 01:22 PM While we are on videos and RC, I find myself listening to this one all the time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29dYGlLI_I8 Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 01:27 PM No, you say you have given many examples, I say you have said what reformation theology says the word of God say's. No man can deceive man that desires to walk in the truth and the truth is alive in him. You took ever thing I said and did exactly what your theology does twist the truth. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 01:33 PM How is that pj we quote the holy inerrant infallible word of God and you deny every verse. Then you turn around and say it is reformed theology. No sir you believe your delusional thoughts and deny scripture. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 01:36 PM Please do not be dishonest and misrepresent me. Several times I have posted ONLY verses. How can the posting of a verse be what reformed theology has told me to say? I could care less about reformed theology if it didn't agree with scripture. I didn't twist what you said. I just brought the irrationality to light. I see you still are not willing to address the issue as it is presented in scripture. You claim that those that seek truth agree with you, but you cannot show why that is from scripture. Honestly, you are setting a very low standard for the study of soteriology. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 01:48 PM Thank you Holding out for hope that was great. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29dYGlLI_I8 God is sovereign. Man is not. Man can not be free unless God saves him. John 17:2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 01:51 PM You're welcome. I listen to that video often. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 01:54 PM No I accepted the High Standard of the living Word of God and The gift of The Spirit of Truth. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 01:57 PM Fancy words with little meaning... The scriptures are important. Saying you are right because you have the truth is no proof at all. You've already been shown from scripture how you are wrong. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 02:06 PM Great video by John Piper http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbOSfxW5x2k&feature=related "Nobody is born a lover of the sovereignty of God. We are born lovers of our own sovereignty", "I remember days, in the fall of 1968 coming back from classes in seminary, when I was being simply shown from the bible...Nobody was pushing a theology on me. They were just reading texts to me from Romans and Galatians and the Sermon on the Mount and Job and I was coming back, putting my face in my hands on my desk and crying, because I felt my world was coming undone. I had not seen these things and they felt painful at first, not pleasant......Now they are the most precious of all things" Post Reply

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