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dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 23 Jul, 2012 04:33 PM Free-will doctrine�what does it do? It magnifies man into God; it declares God's purposes a nullity, since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing. It makes God's will a waiting servant to the will of man, and the whole covenant of grace dependent upon human action. Denying election on the ground of injustice, it holds God to be a debtor to sinners, so that if he gives grace to one he is bound to do so to all. It teaches that the blood of Christ was shed equally for all men and since some are lost, this doctrine ascribes the difference to man's own will, thus making the atonement itself a powerless thing until the will of man gives it efficacy...http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0502.htm Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 04:55 AM I don't "turn" words into anything. You are simply unable to show in context why they should mean what you want them to mean. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 04:57 AM Lol thats funny-Calvinism is king when it comes to throwing context out! And fyi i have studied the bible for 25 odd years, and never have I come to the warped conclusions that Calvinism espouses-you have to have Calvinism forced on the text, change meanings of words, and eliminate context to come up with Calvinism. Church managed ok for 1600 odd years without it!!! Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 04:59 AM Okay I will break it down further for you. Example: You believe that in John 3:16, "world" must mean "every single person". However, if I asked you why it must mean that, you cannot tell me. Yet you criticize me for not being able to understand it's straightforwardness. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 05:03 AM So if world really means elect, why use world? Why not just use elect? See what I mean-u have to force a change on a plain reading of world to mean elect to fit yr system-thats eisegesis not exegesis. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 05:07 AM I don't believe world means elect. This is EXACTLY what I am referring to when I say you and the other don't understand what you criticize. Have you listened at all? I simply believe that world does not mean what you say it must mean. You cannot even show why it must mean that. This is because you read through an arminian lens. You are guilty of exactly what you criticize reformed Christians of. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 05:11 AM So what does it mean then? Cos last time u said it meant elect! And fyi i never read Arminius, FACTS or the Remonstrance writings until the last few years-yet somehow my plain reading of scripture in context pretty much matches the Arminian position! Funny that..... Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 05:14 AM Please don't mention speaking facts and in the same breath say that I have told you it means elect. I've never seen anyone on this forum ever say the word "world" in John 3:16 means elect. You can say all you want that you are using a straightforward reading, but you still haven't been able to show why world must clearly mean everyone in existence. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 05:17 AM So what does world mean in that passage according to you? Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 05:21 AM Before we get there, because this is important...why must it mean "every single person". Why is that the straightforward reading? Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 05:24 AM Just answer the question! Please note world, kosmos in Greek in John 3:16 is stated by Vine/Thayer/Bullinger etc means mankind or human race. But please continue....a straight forward answer, please. Post Reply

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