Author	Thread: The 'Spock' Gospel
Admin	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 19 Dec, 2012 06:11 AM Why do people think for something to be true it has to be logical? I think the 5 point Calvinist is the worst offender and a good example of what I'm speaking of. We are all individuals and God treats us accordingly. We are creations of God who can do what he pleases with what he created; answering to no one and judged by no one. The Gospel is not about logic it is about relationship and relationships vary from person to person; God is unchanging however we are not, nor are we all the same. Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 01:27 PM "Actually I have shown it repeatedly on this thread, however I will try to help you see it:" No you've merely stated. You have not broken down the scriptures to show where Calvinism goes beyond them. This is because you cannot. "Therefore as logic dictates he must first be made alive so that he may choose God. This is done by being born again through the filling of the Holy Spirit." Have you read John 3? Have you read Acts 13:48? Have you read Ephesians 2? We were made alive by God's grace, not by your decision. Sorry but you deserve none of the credit. Salvation is all of God, so that you have no cause for boasting. You have added nothing to gain your salvation. Again, please stop saying Calvinism(I don't claim to be a Calvinist) goes beyond scripture without even showing scripture. "The problem people are having with my posts is it doesn't fit their preconceived paradigm of God limited by their own judgement of 'what is fair'. Unbeknownst to them they are actually sitting in judgement of God and denying His Sovereignty." Yea this is pretty much the Arminian point of view, not the Calvinist. Here is where you are wrong. I grew up believing more like you. I limited God in that way and thought God would be unfair to not allow all to be saved. Then I studied the scriptures and realized that God was much more than box I had put Him in and my views have changed. I find it interesting that you claim the reformed people here don't like your posts because they don't think it's fair and because it's now who they believe God should be. This is ironically exactly the mindset of many arminians, not calvinists. I honestly think you are just typing whatever sounds good at the moment. I don't say that to be mean, but you seem to be confused about this whole discussion. I know you will come back and say you understand it all very well, but the proof is in the pudding. When you start claiming those who oppose you do so because they don't think it's fair....it's very telling. I can use that statement because it's often the non-reformed view to say it's not fair. Yes I'm being redundant, but I'm trying to hit home that you completely switched the roles of both sides in your post. Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 02:09 PM Graceundeserved, I assume your Scripture references were in response to the following previous thread posted below. I read them and fail to see how it answers the question: 'Where in scripture does it say 'a man must be born again before he can accept the invitation to�be born again?' (This is one of the "logical?" assumptions Calvinism makes) __________ The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 10:01 AM � Graceundeserved:�"What we have here is Sparrow claiming the Calvinist goest beyond scripture and him failing to show it." _____________________ Actually I have shown it repeatedly on this thread, however I will try to help you see it: Let's make this simple by sticking to one point; #1 Total Depravity: Scripture clearly teaches; man is dead in sin. Calvinism interpretation of Scripture�teaches; man is so dead that he cannot even respond to the Gospel. Therefore as logic dictates he must first be made alive so that he may choose God. This is done by being born again through the filling of the Holy Spirit. Ummm, excuse me? Where is that in Scripture??? It is not even good logic: Basically saying a person must be born again BEFORE they can respond to God's invitation to be born again. This goes *Beyond Scripture* � Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 03:29 PM Again, you have failed to show scripture. You just merely state that Calvinism goes beyond scripture. Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 06:27 PM So let me get this straight: 1) I state a Doctrine I believe goes beyond Scripture. 2) You disagree 3) I ask you to show me where this Doctrine specifically mentioned in Scripture. 4) You reply : "Again you have failed to show scripture. You just merely state that Calvinism goes beyond scripture." Huh??? *scratching head* Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 09:35 PM I guess you'll be scratching your head until you use scripture to show that the reformed view goes beyond scripture. I don't think I've been confusing. You just keep giving us your opinion. That's not what I asked for. Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 10:23 PM �John 3:1-3Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named�Nicodemus, a ruler�of the Jews;�2�this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, �Rabbi, we know that You have come from God�as�a teacher; for no one can do these�[a]signs that You do unless�God is with him.��3�Jesus answered and said to him,��Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one�is born�[b]again he cannot see�the kingdom of God.� ______________________ Reformed Doctrine teaches a dead man cannot seek out God unless he is born again. Here we have Nicodemas seeking out Jesus at night, therefore he must of already been born again....right? Oh but wait, what does Jesus say to him in verse 3? Apparently, Nicodemas was not born again.� Houston, we have a problem P.S. Now will you kindly provide the Scripture (requesting for the third time) saying you must be born again to accept the invitation to be born again? Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 23 Dec, 2012 02:45 AM Why would you be searching for that? Just curious... Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 23 Dec, 2012 09:24 AM It is a shame to see a person trapped in a closed loop belief system lacking even a window to peer out of from time to time �: ( Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 23 Dec, 2012 10:30 AM NO ONE in their unregenerate state will ask, question, or care for the things of the Lord. Why is that so difficult to comprehend? Until one is ( called, regenerated, given a NEW heart) you will never ever find them in a church listening to God's word. It is all of God, nothing of yourself. Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 23 Dec, 2012 01:14 PM Dljrn04, are you saying in John chapter 3,�Nicodemas was born again before he came to Jesus that night? Scripture seems to say otherwise. Post Reply

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