Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 30 Dec, 2011 05:13 PM
For Christians because the Jews were required to keep it according to Levitical LAW of the Old Testament. So, since the Levitical Law was done away with by Christ's work on the cross, then so too, is the REQUIREMENT of tithes, or tithing all together for Christians. There is no example of tithing in New Testament Scripture to show that it was practiced by Christians within its proper context.
Do you agree?
If not, can you show me some New Testament verse where it says that a Christian must tithe 10%, please?
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 1 Jan, 2012 08:29 PM
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Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 1 Jan, 2012 01:58 PM
As I've said, and will continue to point out, it is alwasys the rebels who DO NOT ATTEND NAYBODY'S CHURCH, AND DO NOT GIVE OF THEIR OFFERINGS OR TITHES, OR SERVICE OR WHATEVER FOR THE CAUSE AND GROWTH OF THE CHURCH AND GO'D'S KINGDOM, whwther it is to a church or outreach ministry in the community.
These are they who are always in ooposition to giving to the church ministry and going to church, and do everything they can, to try and stop other believers from giving and going to church, just becasue they don't go or give.
ME: Again sister, you've pointed out your ignorance and rash judgement of things you know not and have acted in (as your fellow brother PJ says) "carnality.
What you have failed to show is that these verses in 1 Corinthians ARE REGARDING THE FAMINE IN JERUSALEM which the churches volunteered to help. It DOES NOT SUPPORT TITHING EVERY WEEK WHICH IS A MAN MADE TRADITION THAT WAS STARTED IN THE 700ADs.
Act 11:27 Now in these days prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch.
Act 11:28 And one of them named Agabus stood up and foretold by the Spirit that there would be a great famine over all the world (this took place in the days of Claudius).
Act 11:29 So the disciples determined, everyone according to his ability, to send relief to the brothers living in Judea.
Act 11:30 And they did so, sending it to the elders by the hand of Barnabas and Saul.
Ella says: Paul also collected money fro Devil always comes as a ray of light to decieve that which is good in God's sight...m the churches to be given to the poor churches in the first century, as according to 2 Corinthians chapter 8 and chapter 9, so was he wrong in doing this?
ME: UM, who collecrted money from what?! TA HECK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT, sister? ARE YOU ON THE SAME SUBJECT?
Agaphetom/ME says: Paul only did this ONCE FOR THE FAMINE IN THE Jerusalem churches in Acts 13 and 19, sister. You did know this right? It wasn't an ON GOING THING FOR YEARS AFTERWARDS.
ME: I'll post this for you AGAIN so that you can try to read things within context.
Act 11:27 Now in these days prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch.
Act 11:28 And one of them named Agabus stood up and foretold by the Spirit that there would be a great famine over all the world (this took place in the days of Claudius).
Act 11:29 So the disciples determined, everyone according to his ability, to send relief to the brothers living in Judea.
Act 11:30 And they did so, sending it to the elders by the hand of Barnabas and Saul.
God says: 2 Corinthians 8 - The Collection for the Lord�s People
1. And now, brothers and sisters, we want you to know about the grace that God has given the Macedonian churches. In the midst of a very severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity. For I testify that they gave as much as they were able, and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own, they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharing in this service to the Lord�s people. And they exceeded our expectations: They gave themselves first of all to the Lord, and then by the will of God also to us.
6 So we urged Titus, just as he had earlier made a beginning, to bring also to completion this act of grace on your part. But since you excel in everything�in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in complete earnestness and in the love we have kindled in you�see that you also excel in this grace of GIVING.
8 I am not commanding you, but I want to test the sincerity of your love by comparing it with the earnestness of others. 9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.
10 And here is my judgment about what is best for you in this matter. Last year you were the first not only to GIVE but also to have the desire to do so. Now finish the work, so that your eager willingness to do it may be matched by your completion of it, according to your means. For if the willingness is there, THE GIFT IS ACCEPTABLE ACCORDING TO WHAT ONE HAS, NOT WHAT ONE DOES NOT HAVE.
13 Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be EQUALITY. At the present time your PLENTY WILL SUPPLY WHAT THEY NEED, SO IN TURN THEIR PLENTY WILL SUPPLY WHAT YOU NEED. THE GOAL IS QUALITY, as it is written: �THE ONE WHO GATHERS MUCH DID NOT HAVE TOO MUCH, AND THE ONE WHO GATHERED LITTLE DID NOT HAVE TOO LITTLE"
16 Thanks be to God, who put into the heart of Titus the same concern I have for you. For Titus not only welcomed our appeal, but he is coming to you with much enthusiasm and on his own initiative. And we are sending along with him the brother who is praised by all the churches for his service to the gospel. 19 What is more, he was chosen by the churches to accompany us as we carry the offering, which we administer in order to honor the Lord himself and to show our eagerness to help. We want to avoid any criticism of the way we administer this liberal gift. For we are taking pains to do what is right, not only in the eyes of the Lord but also in the eyes of man.
22 In addition, we are sending with them our brother who has often proved to us in many ways that he is zealous, and now even more so because of his great confidence in you. As for Titus, he is my partner and co-worker among you; as for our brothers, they are representatives of the churches and an honor to Christ. 24 Therefore show these men the proof of your love and the reason for our pride in you, so that the churches can see it.
ME: Now in the second epistle to the Corinthians, Paul is reminding them about the promise they made of to send money to the saints in Jerusalem because of the famine. THESE VERSES ARE ABOUT THE FAMINE AND ARE NOT ABOUT TITHING, sister. You did know this didn't you?
2 Corinthians 9:1, There is no need for me to write to you about this service to the Lord�s people. For I know your eagerness to help, and I have been boasting about it to the Macedonians, telling them that since last year you in Achaia were ready to give; and your enthusiasm has stirred most of them to action. But I am sending the brothers in order that our boasting about you in this matter should not prove hollow, but that you may be ready, as I said you would be. For if any Macedonians come with me and find you unprepared, we�not to say anything about you�would be ashamed of having been so confident. So I thought it necessary to urge the brothers to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift, not as one grudgingly given.
6 Remember this: Whoever SOW SPARINGLY WILL ALSO REAP SPARINGLY, AND WHOEVER SOWS GENEROUSLY WILL ALSO REAP GENEROUSLY. Each of you should GIVE WHAT YOU HAVE DECIDED IN YOUR HEART TO GIVE, NOT RELUCTANTLY OR UNDER COMPULSION, FOR GOD LOVES A CHEERFUL GIVER. AND GOD IS BALE TO BLESS YOU ABUNDANTLY, SO THAT IN ALL THINGS AT ALL TIMES, HAVING ALL THAT YOU NEED, YOU WILL ABOUND IN EVERY GOOD WORK.
9 As it is written: �They have freely scattered their gifts to the poor; their righteousness endures forever.� 10 Now he (GOD) who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also SUPPLY AND INCREASE your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness. You will be enriched in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.
12 This service that you perform is not only SUPPLYING THE NEEDS OF THE LORD'S PEOPLE but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God. Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, others will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else. And in their prayers for you their hearts will go out to you, because of the surpassing grace God has given you. 15 Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift!
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 1 Jan, 2012 08:37 PM
NOW, the SECOND EPISTLE that Paul sent the Corinthians was to REMIND THEM OF THE MONEY THAT THEY PROMISED TO SEND JERUSALEM BECAUSE OF THE FAMINE IN THE FIRST EPISTLE. it still DOES NOT SUPPORT THE MODERN DAY TRADITION THAT WAS IMPLIMENTED IN THE 700 AD's BY MEN!
I can't believe that you continue to be ignorant of these facts and still try to profess things of what you do not know in judgment, sister.
PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO VERSES 1 THROUGH 5:
2 Corinthians 9:1, There is no need for me to write to you about this service to the Lord�s people. For I know your eagerness to help, and I have been boasting about it to the Macedonians, telling them that since last year you in Achaia were ready to give; and your enthusiasm has stirred most of them to action. But I am sending the brothers in order that our boasting about you in this matter should not prove hollow, but that you may be ready, as I said you would be. For if any Macedonians come with me and find you unprepared, we�not to say anything about you�would be ashamed of having been so confident. So I thought it necessary to urge the brothers to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous GIFT YOU PROMISED. Then it will be ready as a generous gift, not as one grudgingly given.
6 Remember this: Whoever SOW SPARINGLY WILL ALSO REAP SPARINGLY, AND WHOEVER SOWS GENEROUSLY WILL ALSO REAP GENEROUSLY. Each of you should GIVE WHAT YOU HAVE DECIDED IN YOUR HEART TO GIVE, NOT RELUCTANTLY OR UNDER COMPULSION, FOR GOD LOVES A CHEERFUL GIVER. AND GOD IS BALE TO BLESS YOU ABUNDANTLY, SO THAT IN ALL THINGS AT ALL TIMES, HAVING ALL THAT YOU NEED, YOU WILL ABOUND IN EVERY GOOD WORK.
9 As it is written: �They have freely scattered their gifts to the poor; their righteousness endures forever.� 10 Now he (GOD) who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also SUPPLY AND INCREASE your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness. You will be enriched in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.
12 This service that you perform is not only SUPPLYING THE NEEDS OF THE LORD'S PEOPLE but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God. Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, others will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else. And in their prayers for you their hearts will go out to you, because of the surpassing grace God has given you. 15 Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift!
Tithing is Biblical for Jews BUT it's NOT Scriptural..
Posted : 1 Jan, 2012 09:19 PM
PJ, YOU STILL NEED TO PROVE YOUR ASSUMPTION THAT ABRAHAM TITHED MORE THAN ONCE TO MELCHIZEDEK BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A SIN IF HE DIDN'T POST BEFORE YOU COULD BE EVEN CONSIDERED TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, brother.
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Posted : 31 Dec, 2011 10:42 PM Btw the way if Abraham only tithed once, he would have been in sin."
Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. (He was priest of God Most High.)
Gen 14:19 And he blessed him and said, "Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth;
Gen 14:20 and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand!" And Abram gave him a tenth of everything.
The Bible says it only happened once in Abe's lifetime otherwise it would have said it when he did it again....
I repeat. 1 Cor. 14:28 If one chooses to be ignorant, then let him be ignored. A. I. V.
