Author	Thread: God's Love to those he chose.
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 10:41 AM Romans 9:1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen. 6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called." 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: "At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son." 10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated." 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As He says also in Hosea: "I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved." 26 "And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God." 27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved. 28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth." 29 And as Isaiah said before: "Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah." 30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." Praise God for his sovereign grace. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 02:25 PM Fancy words with little meaning... The scriptures are important. Saying you are right because you have the truth is no proof at all. You've already been shown from scripture how you are wrong. That Statement deny's Jesus in and of it's self. I never one time said I was right, I have always said Jesus is the truth and he (The truth). Until you can accept the universal truth he proclaimed in Jn:316, whososever does not accept this simple truth as the truth.... That Whosoever deny's Him. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 02:27 PM Praise God for enlightening our understanding by his Holy Spirit. No on comes unto the father unless the Holy Spirit draws him. It is all of God, man has nothing to do with salvation. That was difficult for me also when God opened my eyes to his truth, and a relief. Nothing i did or do changes the outcome. I am redeemed by God through his sons righteousness. Now i can serve him and live holy as he is holy as he calls me to do. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 02:32 PM Missed the whole point of the post ???...Ha! Ha!...thats a hoot...the "whole point" of the post is to tell "children" of GOD that they aint right bout "Anything"...Weres the Love in that lil bro ???...this battle betwix Calvin "Hyper" Reformed and the Non-Denominations and Denominations that Disagree with Calvinism has been goin on and on and on and on til the Cows jus dont wanna come home no more...:laugh:... Funny how no one answered te basic question I asked a ways back...So who of Yall is going to Hell and who of Yall is going to Heaven ???...seems no body is willing to say either way...now thats really sadddddddddddddddd...Anywho...I've read all thats needed to see that the "Beat" :boxing: goes on...carry on "Christian Soldiers"...:prayingf:...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 02:35 PM The statement doesn't deny Jesus. You're being silly. All I asked for was an honest discussion on the scriptures and you refuse. Actually you said those who are in the truth agree with you. How can you deny saying you were right? By the way, there is nothing wrong with claiming to be right. However you should be prepared to give a defense..(1 Peter 3:15) That is the point at which you fall short. You simply have not been able to show what you say is plain from scripture. I'm not even sure how you deny that at this point. We have seven pages that testify to it. Although I have done it, I will do it again. You seem to not be able to understand that "whosoever" is simply an English translation. There is a literal phrase in the Greek. God gave his son in order that everyone believing will have life. Nowhere does it say that man has the power in himself to choose God. Nowhere does it say that the death is to save everyone. It is you who cannot come to terms with what John 3:16 says. I'm just letting it speak. You are adding things like Jesus died for everyone and everyone can be saved. The verse never says that, so unless you have another verse, your belief falls short. Again I will ask, why is John 3:16 more important to you than other verses on the gospel? Is it because the other verses teach something you dislike? Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 02:41 PM hey jude if you ever read the bible you would know who God said would go to heaven and those who he said would go to hell. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 02:43 PM hey jude if you ever read the bible you would know who God said would go to heaven and those who he said would go to hell. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU5b3uzqZMc Here is another good video for you holding out for hope Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 02:47 PM Jude, you have misrepresented me and I hope it's because you fail to understand and not intentionally. I'm not sure where you are getting that the whole point of my post was to tell believers they aren't right about anything. That's simply a fabrication. However in telling them they are wrong about salvation, how do you question the love in that? I would submit that the one who loves you most is the one who tells you the most truth. Jesus wasn't weak on truth as you want me to be. He had no issue with telling men they were wrong. Are we not to be imitators? Your quotation "hyper" in reference to this thread only goes to show that you do not know what hyper calvinism is. Here is a primer on hyper-calvinism that may help you understand better. http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/hypercal.htm This isn't a battle between denominations. Denominations are irrelevant. This is about for truth from scripture. There is a massive difference in what I'm presenting and what you claim I'm presenting. It leads me to believe, you either aren't reading my posts, don't understand them, or purposely misrepresenting them. I don't know who is going to hell. I do know that Paul says if anyone comes teaching another gospel, let him be accursed. Don't twist that because I'm not saying people here are unsaved. I do however question those that claim to have truth inside of them down so pat that they don't even have to deal with the scriptures on the matter. Why does it matter? I desire that God gets all the glory He is due, not just the parts we want to give Him. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 02:53 PM whosoever ~ G3956 ~ pas ~ 1) individually ~ each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything!!! *** Can ya read that ???...I knew you could...:applause:...and may the LORD rebuke you and Bless you while He does...Amen!!!...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 02:53 PM I feel like an idiot when I try to read Owen. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 29 Feb, 2012 02:59 PM Jude, one must question why you attempt to separate Pas, from the whole phrase....PasPas ho pisteuwn � 'everyone believing' This video ought to provide you a little clarity on the phrase http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUVeorKy0HM&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL5E7277148F3C8104 Now can you read that? Post Reply

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