Author	Thread: Free-will doctrine
dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 23 Jul, 2012 04:33 PM Free-will doctrine�what does it do? It magnifies man into God; it declares God's purposes a nullity, since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing. It makes God's will a waiting servant to the will of man, and the whole covenant of grace dependent upon human action. Denying election on the ground of injustice, it holds God to be a debtor to sinners, so that if he gives grace to one he is bound to do so to all. It teaches that the blood of Christ was shed equally for all men and since some are lost, this doctrine ascribes the difference to man's own will, thus making the atonement itself a powerless thing until the will of man gives it efficacy...http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0502.htm Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 05:29 AM I've been stating since I started posting today that you cannot show why world must mean "every single person" here and you still are still ignoring it. If you can show it then show it. If not, stop claiming to have the straightforward reading. That simplistic answer that world means the human race won't fly. Stick that interpretation in every time "world' is used in scripture and watch that idea fall flat on it's face. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 05:30 AM Oh and Martin Luther who u guys seem to like said the same thing as well ie world means all mankind, not some select group. I'll check my Mounce in a minute as well... Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 05:38 AM Are u blind? I have just stated Luther/Mounce/Thayer/Bullinger/Vine etc all interpret kosmos in John 3:16 to mean mankind, the whole human race. So the onus is on you-I have proven thats what it means in John 3:16-but u will tell me otherwise because u have to read scripture through Calvinism's lens. You are boring me...refute what Ive posted-refute all the above Greek experts or else refrain from posting. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 05:53 AM Yr silence speaks volumes.... Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 05:56 AM The word world in John 3:16 means inhabitant's of the earth, couldn't be any more inclusive. In context that word is used at least five times, as you know the father knew down thru time, the enemy would try to alter his word. 2Co 5:19 To wit,G5613 thatG3754 GodG2316 wasG2258 inG1722 Christ,G5547 reconcilingG2644 the worldG2889 unto himself,G1438 notG3361 imputingG3049 theirG846 trespassesG3900 unto them;G846 andG2532 hath committedG5087 untoG1722 usG2254 theG3588 wordG3056 of reconciliation.G2643 Same word here and of course we note, the ministry of the church to the lost is come you are welcome, you have been reconciled to the father. You have to accept the word of men and deny Jesus to believe anything else. Btw the way all scripture is to be confirmed by the person of The Holy Ghost. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 08:07 AM Does my silence speak loudly that I took a shower, stopped by the bank, got my hair cut, packed my gear to take to the shooting range, and then worked out with my brother? If it doesn't, then it should. I'm rather ashamed at how big of a reach made there. So let me see if I am getting this correctly. Your answer for why you have the straightforward interpretation of John 3:16 is because supposedly Luther/Mounce/Thayer/Bullinger/Vine all agree with you? I will ask again. What from the context of the verse makes you say that it must read "every single human"? Saying Luther/Mounce/Thayer/Bullinger/Vine is not a good reason. "I have proven thats what it means in John 3:16" No, you have merely stated WHAT you believe and that others believe as you do is your proof that you are correct. You'd get laughed out of any formal debate with that type of argument. "refute all the above Greek experts" Well this is a slight change of tune from this..."I hold Luther in about as much esteem as I do Calvin". Whatever works for you at the time, huh? PJ, interesting that you would reach into 2 Corinthians while claiming to be "in context" and yet refuse to deal with John 3:16-21 where "world" is used multiple times. If your and Reign's definition was applied each time "world" is used in those verses then you will see how it fails the smell test miserably. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 12:32 PM I have a couple questions. Did you choose to be born? Did you pick the time and date you were born? Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 02:06 PM You were online for at least 30 minutes after I posted so whatever excuse works I guess-you still havent answered a simple question, it appears you're not going to either. Debate over-its impossible to reason with unreasonable Calvinists Im afraid. Post Reply
Agapeton View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 02:21 PM God saved the world, but not all the world will be saved according to the verses following, brothers and sisters. The Greek words change meanings depending on the context they are used in. This principle should fit any language. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 02:53 PM :waving:...Hi brother Sal...BINGO !!!!...we have here a classic example of people pulling a verse out of context and debating the one word to prove a point..."world".. John 3:16-21 King James Version (KJV) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. *** Scripture always Interprets Scripture...Thank and Praise you Father...:yay:...xo Post Reply

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