Author	Thread: MAKE GOD'S WILL OUR WILL
Admin	MAKE GOD'S WILL OUR WILL Posted : 7 Aug, 2012 06:57 PM The mystery of man's free will is far too great for us! God said to Adam and Eve: "Thou shalt not eat from this tree." Here was a divine requirement calling for obedience on the part of those who had the power of choice and will. When they disobeyed they usurped the right that was not theirs! "Our wills are ours, we know not how; our wills are ours to make them Thine!" "We know not how; "Yes, our wills are ours to make them Thine." As created beings, that is our only right-to make our wills the will of God, to make the will of God our will! God is sovereign, and we are the creatures. He is the Creator and therefore His is the right to command us with the obligation that we should obey. It is a happy obligation, I might say, for "His yoke is easy and His burden is light!" It is important to agree that true salvation restores the right of a Creator-creature relationship, acknowledging God's right to our fellowship and communion!
View Profile History	MAKE GOD'S WILL OUR WILL Posted : 9 Aug, 2012 06:50 AM HOH... you ran pj down as a fellow Christian. You guys are so off into yourself ! TOPIC GOD HAS GIVEN MAN FREE CHOICE TO CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM MAN WILL SERVE IN OBEIDIENCE OR SERVE SELF IN DISOBEDIENCE!
View Profile History	MAKE GOD'S WILL OUR WILL Posted : 9 Aug, 2012 06:52 AM Luke 22:42-43 Not my Will but Thine Whosoever shall do the Will of God is my brother Mark 3:35 Born not of the Will of Flesh but of God John 1:13 :waving:
View Profile History	MAKE GOD'S WILL OUR WILL Posted : 9 Aug, 2012 06:56 AM Here was a divine requirement calling for obedience on the part of those who had the power of choice and will! :angel:
View Profile History	MAKE GOD'S WILL OUR WILL Posted : 9 Aug, 2012 07:23 AM " HOH... you ran pj down as a fellow Christian." That's your response to my post? I told you I do not consider PJ a fellow Christian and I told you exactly why. I can provide more reasons if you would like. I applaud your attempt to be the good Christian in the thread but your accusations must be based on reality. Making up a scenario and then condemning it is kind of silly don't you think? Ignoring me when I have explained the real scenario is also kind of silly don't you think? " GOD HAS GIVEN MAN FREE CHOICE TO CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM MAN WILL SERVE IN OBEIDIENCE OR SERVE SELF IN DISOBEDIENCE!" Can you provide scripture support this "free choice"? I love how you conveniently ignore the scriptures I posted which showed you to be in the wrong on your belief and then respond by posting John 1:13 which is a "proof text" for the doctrines of grace. You are out of your league on this topic. No offense...I don't take credit for that. These are things that God has revealed. I don't expect you to get that because you choose your own way. Let me ask you something....If anyone can just exercise their free will to do good....then why is there a need for grace? Have you ever wondered why grace exists?
View Profile History	MAKE GOD'S WILL OUR WILL Posted : 9 Aug, 2012 07:46 AM Luke 22:42-43 Not my Will but Thine What I do know is God is not Insulting and try to discredit others of Faith. IF you do not except my Scriptures or Post that is Your Choice.
View Profile History	MAKE GOD'S WILL OUR WILL Posted : 9 Aug, 2012 07:53 AM "Not my will but thine" does nothing for your argument that we have a "free will" If you want to consider my posts insulting then I will consider yours insulting. Now you are sinning. Please stop.
View Profile History	MAKE GOD'S WILL OUR WILL Posted : 9 Aug, 2012 08:02 AM This is a case of, "I can't defend my views so I will just tell everyone that God doesn't approve of him. Yea that will work. Everyone will know I am more spiritual and forget the finer points of the debate. I don't know, this sounds like manipulation. Should I really do it? What other choice do I have...I'm losing. Okay I'm going to do it"
View Profile History	MAKE GOD'S WILL OUR WILL Posted : 9 Aug, 2012 08:04 AM None of you have understood one thing in my OP, which says we do not have free will, but we have free choice to choose. God does not give man free will, this would make man equal to Him, ONLY GOD HAS FREE WILL. GOD gives man free choice to choose. I just gave you a scripture of FREE CHOICE, God telling us to make a choice of whom we will serve. Maybe you don't recognize God's word as you would think you do. It is our choice to choose whom we will serve God or man or the devil, God gives us CHOICE, and it is man's free will to be in disobedience, and reject God's word. Those who choose not to follow God are operating in their own free will. Free choice and free will has nothing whatsoever to do with God's grace... Grace has to do with God giving man a choice and waiting on man to come to repentance, and man taking the hold of this grace unto salvation, but its man's FREE CHOICE to decide whether he will choose to serve God or serve himself. I don't think you even understand the dynamics of what grace is all about, nor the difference between what free choice and free will. We have a CHOICE TO CHOOSE RIGHT FROM WRONG, GOOD FROM EVIL, FREE WILL BRINGS US INTO DISOBEDIENCE. and we suffer the consequences of punishment, so what about what I have been saying don't you and Bob not understand? I suspect the whole of what free choice and free will is all about, you think you have spiritual knowledge and understanding, but you don't. As Paul say, only spiritual minded can understand the spiritual things of God, a carnal minded person THINKS they understand but they don't. God never uses the self-proclaimed wise men of this world to do His work, so what's your and Bob's problem? Maybe you can explain grace and how it works. If indeed you know about grace then you would know how to speak to PJ... and one can say you're not a borther either by the way you falsely judge and condemn PJ, without grace. does not God tell us when you see a brother in a fault or a sin to correct that person with gentleness and love? So you yourself can be consider not being a brother, since you are trying to correct me and PJ and Jude yet you yourself are in fault and sin, because you are in disobedience to God's word.... I'm just saying. As for free will Maybe you can explain what happen with Pharaoh and Jonah exercised their free will when they rejected God's commands, and what happens to you when you find yourself in disobedience because you did it your way, and not according to what God says? Doing your own thing against God's word wihtout realizing or caring about the consequences is exercising your free will, willfully in disobedience, and bring punishment. Free choice to deciding to do it God's way and making a choice depending and trusting on Him, to go left or right, and praying you are making the right choice. THE END
View Profile History	MAKE GOD'S WILL OUR WILL Posted : 9 Aug, 2012 08:08 AM Interesting....so why have you taken the side of those who disagree with the doctrines of grace?
View Profile History	MAKE GOD'S WILL OUR WILL Posted : 9 Aug, 2012 08:23 AM HOH... you ran pj down as a fellow Christian." That's your response to my post? I told you I do not consider PJ a fellow Christian and I told you exactly why. I can provide more reasons if you would like. I applaud your attempt to be the good Christian in the thread but your accusations must be based on reality. Making up a scenario and then condemning it is kind of silly don't you think? Ignoring me when I have explained the real scenario is also kind of silly don't you think? This respnse is in total disregard of the word of God and the spirit of God the truth. There is no reality outside the word of God. The world can not receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost he is only available to the church. Not ice you have never heard me say that you are not a christian nor would I normally say that. We do differ in all things but that is your choice in that you have received another doctrine ther than the doctrine's of God, so yes we would obviousl differ. " GOD HAS GIVEN MAN FREE CHOICE TO CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM MAN WILL SERVE IN OBEIDIENCE OR SERVE SELF IN DISOBEDIENCE!" Can you provide scripture support this "free choice"? Yes and many have, but you have to accept the truth, but you repeatedly state you have no choice. I love how you conveniently ignore the scriptures I posted which showed you to be in the wrong on your belief and then respond by posting John 1:13 which is a "proof text" for the doctrines of grace. You are out of your league on this topic. No offense...I don't take credit for that. These are things that God has revealed. I don't expect you to get that because you choose your own way. Let me ask you something....If anyone can just exercise their free will to do good....then why is there a need for grace? Have you ever wondered why grace exists? Why do believer's differ with reformation doctrine of Grace? Because they do not accept the true teaching's of grace.

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