Author	Thread: Free-will doctrine
dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 23 Jul, 2012 04:33 PM Free-will doctrine�what does it do? It magnifies man into God; it declares God's purposes a nullity, since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing. It makes God's will a waiting servant to the will of man, and the whole covenant of grace dependent upon human action. Denying election on the ground of injustice, it holds God to be a debtor to sinners, so that if he gives grace to one he is bound to do so to all. It teaches that the blood of Christ was shed equally for all men and since some are lost, this doctrine ascribes the difference to man's own will, thus making the atonement itself a powerless thing until the will of man gives it efficacy...http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0502.htm Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 02:58 PM I was debating some Jehovahs Witnesses that came to my door the other week, and Ive just had this thought-replace Calvinist with JW and the methodology, tactics, scripture twisting and abuse are frighteningly similar. Just as the JW views scripture through the lens of the Watchtower and Charles Taze Russell, the Calvinists do likewise through Calvin. Cultlike. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 03:07 PM " You were online for at least 30 minutes after I posted so whatever excuse works I guess-you still havent answered a simple question, it appears you're not going to either." The diversion tactic is pretty weak. My computer may have been signed it, but I was not physically at my computer. I told you what I was doing. Try to understand. It's not difficult. " Debate over-its impossible to reason with unreasonable Calvinists Im afraid." Yes debate over. You posted some people who agree with you. Debate over... " The Greek words change meanings depending on the context they are used in." Apparently this is too difficult a concept for Reigns... Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 03:09 PM " I was debating some Jehovahs Witnesses" Did you win that debate by telling them that other people agree with you? That's all you've done in this thread. You call other people stupid and say that you are right because well it's plain to see and because others agree with you. If you are proud of yourself, then so be it. No reasonable person would accept your arguments as valid. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 03:10 PM See what I mean? I rest my case. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 03:13 PM Yes, never posting anything of substance. You literally have no defense so you attack the person. If you are so confident then you should be able to show why "world" must mean "every single person" in John 3:16. If you can't show why then you should wonder why you are so confident in it. So far, you haven't been able to show why. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 03:15 PM You rest your case on what? The fact that you would rather debate whether I was online or not and why I took a while to respond to you....than back up your beliefs? Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 03:17 PM Hey Sal, long time no see. Blessings brother. I agree God is almighty enough to save the whole world, but Christ Jesus says he did not he died for those the father gave him. I have a couple questions. Did you choose to be born? Did you pick the time and date you were born? Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 03:21 PM YeshuaReigns For God so loved the world. Christ opens up the first cause, and, as it were, the source of our salvation, and he does so, that no doubt may remain; for our minds cannot find calm repose, until we arrive at the unmerited love of God. As the whole matter of our salvation must not be sought any where else than in Christ, so we must see whence Christ came to us, and why he was offered to be our Savior. Both points are distinctly stated to us: namely, that faith in Christ brings life to all, and that Christ brought life, because the Heavenly Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish. And this order ought to be carefully observed; for such is the wicked ambition which belongs to our nature, that when the question relates to the origin of our salvation, we quickly form diabolical imaginations about our own merits. Accordingly, we imagine that God is reconciled to us, because he has reckoned us worthy that he should look upon us. But Scripture everywhere extols his pure and unmingled mercy, which sets aside all merits. Do you agree? Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 03:22 PM Just one more thought on free will-Calvin had free will when he chose to torture and murder ie Servitus and many others, and remain unrepentant of those hideous acts, or are you Calvinists going to tell me he didnt have freewill and therefore God preordained him to do that? God preordained Calvin to go against scripture? And along with that by obvious conclusion, Calvin therefore didnt Persevere, your P in TULIP, as he wasnt acting righteously as one of the "elect". But then again, what can one really expect from a man by his own admission was saved by being baptised by a Roman Catholic priest ie saved by works. I think any reasonable person can see Calvinism for what it is-cultlike and rotten. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 03:25 PM Once again, you are simply incapable of staying on topic. You cannot defend your beliefs from scripture so you attack different people. Your opinion of Calvin is not relevant. My opinion of Calvin is not relevant. All that matters is what the scriptures teach. The sooner you come to that realization, the better off you'll be. Post Reply

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