I have watched BobBobbins for some time now and believe that others on this forum should be better equipped in seeing what may be happening, from a perspective other than BobBobbins� while dialoging with him.
Dear CDFF members,
Please take the following statements I have compiled from 26 pages of BobBobbins� posts and imagine for a moment communicating to your husband or wife in like manner�
Imagine, as a parent or teacher, communicating to a child in this way�
You are the one who is the Pharisee�
For the sake of illustrating your error here�
The entirety of your argument is thrown completely out the window�
Your faulty exegesis of Matthew 19 leads to a totally erroneous understanding of the passage�
My point by point refutation of your article really wasn't for your benefit�
Your confusion appears to lie in not understanding�
Here again, your question illustrates your lack of understanding�
Your thinking illustrates that when you deviate so badly�
Are you yet without any spiritual understanding?
Are you a Pharisee?
Are you a false teacher?
It appears that you are consistently trying to trip up the true men of God with your unreasoned questioning�
Not to point out the obvious, but you haven't even made a feeble attempt�
If you are standing on the truth, then refute my points�
You might convince a handful of fools and simple minded folks with that style but everyone else sees clearly that you are defeated�
Over and over, I see ridiculous conclusions such as the one that you have drawn�
Sadly, the evidence shows�
You fail on two major fronts�
You demonstrate all of the traits/characteristics of the "stone thrower" from your article�
You are a FOOL, a self described STONE THROWER, a JUDGE without MERCY, and most glaringly a HYPOCRITE�
Your doctrines and teachings are those of an ANTIchrist�
I am trying to understand your position which is schizophrenic�
Perhaps, your lack of understanding is what condemns you�
Maybe you are a STONE THROWER�
All I can say is "wow." Talk about polluting a bored with off topic ranting�
Over and over, I see ridiculous conclusions such as the one that you have drawn�
Now, you are taking cover behind a woman's skirt�
I am challenging you to come out from behind that skirt�
Be a man and defend your article. Can you do that?
At the end of the day, I believe that you still fail�
In addition, I believe that you have no clear understanding�
You bring an unteachable spirit to the discussion�
Once again, you "gathered" wrong�
Since you have chosen to take a low road�
It's painful to have to be so tedious, but alas I guess you made it necessary�
Exposing your watered down middle of the road back side kissing teachings�
You boast now a victory you don't have! You have never addressed the scriptures i provided by point by point refutation because you are incapable�
Your teachings are weak�
You are cowardly!
With your continued childish cutting and pasting�
You have been warned�
He is merely another incompetent windbag..
Such a notion, in my eyes, seems intellectually incompetent and just plain lazy�
You have a glaring problem somewhere in your exegesis�
Due to sloppy interpretations such as the one that has just been offered�
Rather than humbling yourself to receive instruction�
Out of the abundance of the heart.. the mouth speaks�DEAR CDFF MEMBERS, IT IS IRONIC THAT THE POSTER SHOULD USE THIS PARTICULAR VERSE IN LIGHT OF WHAT HE HIMSELF HAS WRITTEN
Who is the liar here?
Contradiction after contradiction�
Lots of smoke but not much fire�
That you were so lacking in compassion in the first place�
Now, you want a gold star and a brownie for finally getting it right�
Everytime they hit their keyboards, the errors expose themselves. All I do is highlight them for the readers�.AGAIN, CAUTION MUST BE EXERCISED WHEN POINTING OUT THE FAULTS OF OTHERS
Yours is an impotent god and a worthless gospel... a god with no power to save�
Rather than wasting "the whole world's time", why don't you go work out your own salvation�
He reasoned poorly just like you�
Is it even necessary for me to quote the scripture to prove such an elementary point?
Shouldn't anyone who calls themselves a "Christian" already understand such a foundational issue?
Personally, I find all of your statements blasphemous-but it�s the logical outcome of the reprobate anthropocentric mind�
That is YOUR god�
I have read many of your posts and I just shake my head at most of them. I never bother to respond since I wonder what is the point?
I really can't help but just shake my head�
Once again, you have come here teaching falsely�
As long as you keep spewing false doctrine/theology�
You are a woman -take responsibility for yourself and for the woman's role in a marriage�
If you are divorced, you are NOT an expert on making a marriage work, contrary to your opinion. We don't need to hear about what you think you learned. Not until you have proven yourself in the context of a new healthy marriage. Those who have been and stay married for years are the experts�.DEAR CDFF MEMBERS, HERE, I MUST INTERJECT THAT NOT ONLY IS THIS STATEMENT AN AD HOMINEM, (MANY OF THE STATEMENTS COMPILED HERE ARE) BUT THAT THE POSTER ALSO FALSELY CLAIMS TO REPRESENT EVERYONE ON THE FORUMS BY CLAIMING THAT �WE� ARE IN AGREEMENT �ANOTHER INFORMAL FALLACY.
ALSO,
SOLOMON, WHO QUITE POSSIBLY SINNED GREATER THAN PERHAPS ANYONE ELSE IN SCRIPTURE IN THE AREA OF MARRIAGE, DID, IN FACT, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, BRING ABOUT THE WORDS OF GOD HIMSELF ON THE SUBJECT OF MARRIAGE�. HENCE THE SONG OF SONGS
BobBobbins� words continued:
Post after post, you offer bad theology�
I have no personal vested interest in you one way or the other�
DEAR CDFF MEMBERS,
Communicating to your husband or wife in this manner?
Communicating to a child in this way?
How might this affect someone? Being spoken to in such a way, day after day, month after month, year after year?
How might this affect a congregation of people�say a church?
I would be interested to know how this has affected some of you?
DEAR CDFF MEMBERS,
Please notice that if, from BobBobbins� posts, you separate the scripture he has quoted and his textbook explanations of scripture, which can be found on a number of Reformed Theological Sites online (such as the Puritan Board), what you�re left with is a collection of BobBobbins� personal statements, many of which have been quoted above. This would be called rightly dividing the words of a man from alongside the Words of our Lord.
SOMETHING ELSE THAT SHOULD BE NOTED,
From my experience, I believe that out of 26 pages of BobBobbins� posts, which I read, not a single one dealt with what God has done in BobBobbins� own life. Not a single one of his posts describes, in a relational or transparent way, a close, personal, loving and growing relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ, which is where true biblical teaching flows from.
DEAR CDFF MEMBERS,
I have not written this in order for any of you to belittle BobBobbins. On the contrary, I�ve written this in order that you might better love, in understanding and correction, one of your brothers in Christ, who is not only gifted, but who has given himself greatly to the pursuit of God�s Word on our behalf. I have however written this so that posters will not continue to feel intimidated or taken captive by BobBobbins� textbook theological and philosophical arguments, which, can easily become the whitewashing on a tomb full of a dead man�s bones.
� Love (Christ) is patient, love is kind. It (He) does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.� 1 Corinthians 13:4-7
�If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love (Christ), I am nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:2
May each of us continue in the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I'm not playing games...maybe if people thought of this as more than a game, took the matters seriously...and what and how they write, there would be more glorifying dialogs on this site.
Yes because belittling people under the guise of kindness is so God-glorying. So hypocritical of you to claim we don't understand your post when my post made t clear that I did understand your post. Your post was however a fail because it sought to make Bob out to be someone who glorified self, when in his own post He claimed it was God working through him to accomplish things. You conveniently missed that part though. It's time to let this thread die. You are playing games.
No games here, just showing you how too many members who post on this site don't read what is written and automatically jump to the wrong conclusion and immediately start with ridicule.
I was giving Bob glory for a capability I did not identify in my post. I usually don't stoop to the level of ridicule but in this case I needed to to make my point.
Ironic, given that your post itself was meant to ridicule Bob...
" I was giving Bob glory for a capability I did not identify in my post. I usually don't stoop to the level of ridicule but in this case I needed to to make my point."
What you mean is it's okay when you do it. Regardless it's still a poor point given that he gave glory to God and you chose to come behind him and act as if his intent was to glorify self. It's dishonest.
My point was to show how people jump to conclusions without understanding what they read. Either they don't read the whole post because they think they know the intent or they read what they want into it.
HOH: "What you mean is it's okay when you do it. Regardless it's still a poor point given that he gave glory to God and you chose to come behind him and act as if his intent was to glorify self. It's dishonest."
No, it's not okay that I did it. Just like it's not ok for Bob or anyone else (whether I agree with their Biblical view or not) to ridicule another human being or to disrespect Scripture. It's also not okay for people to encourage that type of behavior.
After my initial posts on this thread, it was clear that people are looking at Bob through tainted glasses...poor Bob--how dare anyone publicly address his public denigration of others. Since he chose to use all those phrases listed in the OP in the public threads, it's appropriate for him to be addressed in a public thread, ESPECIALLY after so many people have indicated they had private conversations with him over his methods.
Instead of encouraging people who post to use uplifting words or just present facts or counterpoints without ridicule, they patted Bob on his back for his techniques. His techniques with so many people he disagrees with is to denigrate them, in public and private. The posters criticized the OP for not confronting Bob in private.
I stated in my posts how I had confronted him in private after he reached out to me in private...not for him to apologize for his denigrating conversation but to tell me in so many words that I had no business posting and so many others didn't either. Basically he was telling me that whenever he posted I shouldn't post counter arguments because I was always going to disagree with him.
Too many people have chosen to degrade their views on threads by jumping to name calling and ridicule. A very sad statement for a site that is supposed to be Christian. It's one thing to differ in views or interpretations...it's another thing to throw out personal attacks.
The capability I was praising Bob for was his ability to turn a thread into personal attacks and use such negative language in defense of God. That ability does NOT come from God, it is of Satan. Of all the places I have been in the world, of all the people I have encountered, Bob takes the prize for being the most negative person. It has nothing to do with whether I believe his views or not, it has everything to do with the volumes of insults he uses as illustrated in the OP.
I am mostly done throwing any more time or attention to you because it is simply feeding your own pride for me to continue doing so.
"After my initial posts on this thread, it was clear that people are looking at Bob through tainted glasses...poor Bob" You seem to be the only one with clear glasses around. That's your pride.
"ESPECIALLY after so many people have indicated they had private conversations with him over his methods. " Two people does not equate to "so many" but then again it wouldn't matter to you since it wouldn't fit with your messaging.
"His techniques with so many people he disagrees with is to denigrate them, in public and private" All of my bidding is done publicly - it keeps me accountable. So, your statement here is just patently false again.
" Basically he was telling me that whenever he posted I shouldn't post counter arguments because I was always going to disagree with him. "
No Teach, I have encouraged and admonished to stop false teaching and so on. I specifically stated that it has to do with your misuse of Scripture and your bad doctrine.
I've already addressed the OP at great length as to my word usage so I do not need to repetitive.
Please read the post that follows for further instruction.
Two of the most shocking things for a twentieth-century American Christian to read are the works of Martin Luther and John Calvin, for these men-who were valiant for the truth-did not hesitate to call people names. Are Luther and Calvin wrong and the editors of Present Truth right? The only way for a Christian to discover the answer is to examine the Scriptures.
Unfortunately, most professed Christians today seem never to have gotten past Matthew 7. That�s too bad, for they should proceed to read Matthew 23. In that chapter alone, Christ calls the scribes and Pharisees names 16 times. The names are �hypocrites� (7 times), �son of Hell� (once),�blind guides� (twice), �fools and blind� (3 times), �whited sepulchres� (once), �serpents� (once), and �offspring of vipers� (once). Since Christ was without sin, we may deduce by good and necessary consequence that name-calling as such is not a sin. Since everything Christ did was righteous and virtuous, we may deduce by good and necessary consequence that accurate name-calling is a virtue.
But Christ is not the only example. John, who some professed Christians love to quote because they misunderstand and misrepresent what he says about love, calls certain persons known to his readers �liars� and �antichrists.� Those sensitive souls who flinch when they read chapter 25 of the Westminster Confession identifying the pope as antichrist should read 1 John 2 and 2 John. John was not talking about someone far off in Rome; he was referring to persons known to his readers.
Then there is Paul, who in 1 Corinthians corrected those at Corinth who denied the resurrection. In chapter 15, verse 36, he refers to one objector as a fool. And can we not conclude from Psalms 14:1 and 53:1 that Madalyn O�Hair, for example, is a fool? Further, in 1 Timothy 4:2 Paul refers to �hypocritical liars� and in 5:13 he writes of �gossips and busybodies.� Those who object to name-calling must object to the practice of Jesus, Paul, and John, among many others.
cited from an article by John Robbins at the Trinity Foundation
I am well within Biblical constraints for the language that I use in the context that I use it. You have been culturally conditioned to believe otherwise.
If you think handing flowers and a box of chocolates to a Pharisee and telling him that "Jesus loves him" is the Biblical method than you keep using it. Don't keep pointing your finger at me and telling me that my method is wrong unless you can show it and prove it with the Word of God.
And especially don't tell me that it's wrong and then turn around and do it yourself because that just makes you a hypocrite.
The most loving thing that another Christian ever said to me was that
" I was a weak and pathetic Christian who probably had never read my Bible and was totally unprepared to defend my faith"
That was about 15 years ago. They were right. I have never stopped reading my Bible since. In fact, immediately after they said that to me, I read it through twice in two months.
