Author	Thread: God's Love to those he chose.
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 10:41 AM Romans 9:1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen. 6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called." 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: "At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son." 10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated." 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As He says also in Hosea: "I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved." 26 "And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God." 27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved. 28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth." 29 And as Isaiah said before: "Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah." 30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." Praise God for his sovereign grace. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 1 Mar, 2012 09:08 AM I admit that some people are so divided on the understanding and simplisity of Scripture that it has become nothing more than Strifful Argueing as I've said afor... Why is it that we must constantly "defend" our selves and beliefs instead of lovingly discussing the differances betwix and comming into agreement in one mind and one body ???...The LORD said there woud be division...persecution...etc...:prayingf:... And sis Elisha...ima going to Heaven to!!!...for I know who I am in Christ...His Word tells me so...and I believe HIM more than I believe anyone...Yall hava God Holy Spirit Filled day...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 1 Mar, 2012 09:19 AM Hey I have no problem with that Jude. I tried to have a simple discussion from scripture and was criticized. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 1 Mar, 2012 09:43 AM To answer you about giving a defense, we must first answer if truth is important. If truth is important then defense of that truth is important. Briefly, the teaching of 2 Timothy 4:1-2 is "4 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching." We cannot do this without knowing truth. If truth is important then defense of that truth is important. Now, you ask why you and others have to defend your beliefs on here, and the truth is you don't HAVE to. My hope is that in trying to defend your belief, you will see the error in that belief and let the word speak for itself. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 1 Mar, 2012 09:44 AM No one ever said that John 3:16 declare"s all will believe and it was never mentioned in this post or implied the word speaks for it self. It is one of the many Calvinist responses to say it does not say all will believe, Calvinist have many opinion's of Jn:3:16 and not one is correct. What I did say is the precept of Jn 3:16 is what Christianity is totally based on. Calvinsit can not agree with Jn.3:16. Then they would have to admit the fact that the tulip is dead and it's not of the seed of life, but clearly according to death. No As always we Love the Calvinist but hate the false doctrine, and we expose it because we love the father and he said to mark those that cause division. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 1 Mar, 2012 10:11 AM "It is one of the many Calvinist responses to say it does not say all will believe, Calvinist have many opinion's of Jn:3:16 and not one is correct." No it is not. You don't even know what you are defending against. "What I did say is the precept of Jn 3:16 is what Christianity is totally based on." You said John 3:16 is the core of scripture. While I can agree with this in a way, I asked you why do you give more weight to John 3:16 than other verses on the gospel. You claim the teaching is so clearly yet you can't do the simple task of showing why. I agree with John 3:16 as I've said repeatedly. I've been the one who has consistently NOT added to it's meaning. Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 1 Mar, 2012 06:10 PM number 1 all I said about Jude was I was speaking to her when I answerd her question and said I was going to heaven, she asked twice who was going to heaven, I am going to heaven thats all I said so why are you telling me to chose my words? Number 2 I was unclear about the love and hate thing but you knew what i meant you just want to argue, it isnt the word love that is in question it is the word hate the word hate does not mean hate lke we say it , it always used as a comparison, when Jesus said to hate for family, do you think he meant to actly hate them or do you think he meant that you love him more? Thats not rocket science but its obvious by your constant posts trying to pick n argument with someone where your heart is, you just want a fight like a bully roaming around a school yard Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 1 Mar, 2012 06:28 PM "all I said about Jude was I was speaking to her when I answerd her question and said I was going to heaven" "DUH LIKE JUDE SAID HERES YOUR SIGN " case rested So in the very same verse, love means love but hate can't mean hate. That's very interesting. You give one verse where the command is to hate to prove that nowhere in all of scripture does hate mean to hate. However I bet you not deny that it means hate when it says God hates sin. You just deny it when referencing people. I have not been picking arguments. I have been exposing errors. Of course I pick about your posts. The one who loves you most is the one who tells you the most truth. They don't let you rest in a lie. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 1 Mar, 2012 06:37 PM I wonder also if you exposing my error show YOUR heart. Or is that one sided? Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 1 Mar, 2012 08:31 PM exposing error and going on and on in a way that seems like you would stand in fron t of a stop sing yelling go is not the same thing and I was kidding about what I said when I said duh, I guess we are no allowed a sence of humor on the forums anymore I remeber a time not so long ago we joked with each other freely even those on opposit camps! But now its suddenly a problem and we must choose our words! I assure I have been on the forums with my sister jude for sometime she jokes a lot as do I, and if I really thought you were stupid and needed a sign to wear that said so I wouldnt sya it on here that would be mean, so one can only asume i was playing. I have not tried to argue in fact for most of your ranting I have ignored yor posts, I post maybe 1 time to every 6 of your posts! I am not trying to point out your error at all, only proclaim the truth! and ther is no scholar and no teacher that ypu can find that will not tell you that hate in that scripture is compariative, I did not come up with this, its come from study and resarch and reading hate is a comparison love is not that was a iscomunication on my part but hate most certainly is a comaprison, look it up for yourself instead of trying to argue al you need is a lexicon try thge blue letter bible I think that can gelp or the online strongs concordance, dont take my word for it, I am not the one who said it I am merely repeating what I have read studied and been taught,alos looked up for myself Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 1 Mar, 2012 08:46 PM "exposing error and going on and on in a way that seems like you would stand in fron t of a stop sing yelling go is not the same thing" I fail to see how my actions in this thread have been different than yours. We only have a different belief. "I remeber a time not so long ago we joked with each other freely even those on opposit camps! But now its suddenly a problem and we must choose our words!" I never said we couldn't joke. However in joking, you gave a "there's your sign" as if to say the truth was so simple. Ironically you didn't understand the truth. "I am not trying to point out your error at all, only proclaim the truth!" Think about this..In proclaiming truth we expose error "and ther is no scholar and no teacher that ypu can find that will not tell you that hate in that scripture is compariative, I did not come up with this, its come from study and resarch and reading hate is a comparison love is not that was a iscomunication on my part but hate most certainly is a comaprison, look it up for yourself instead of trying to argue al you need is a lexicon try thge blue letter bible I think that can gelp or the online strongs concordance, dont take my word for it, I am not the one who said it I am merely repeating what I have read studied and been taught,alos looked up for myself " I already know what you believe. My problem is you cannot show why hate doesn't mean hate. You cannot show why in one sentence love actually means love, but hate doesn't actually mean hate. Let me guess, God just sort of dislikes sin? Post Reply

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